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" 好的男 wrote: " aphrodite_1289 wrote: should be newly best vagan dagger, the 8.84 crit base makes the tree/gears of this build more flexible, e.g. use scold's bridle instead of rat's. its global crit, which is boosting the spells aswell, so removing it would be pointless and that's why the gear is not flexible at all. also taking attackspeed is pointless when u can have it w/o wasting points or statsspots on the gear. scolds on discharge is also pretty bad, not sure why ppl are coming up with it, u wont be able to run immrotal call and VMS on the same time. Skean is #1 choice for temp leagues (or budget version of coc), at standard lalala mirror land its Poignard. (tested it with a fully crafted skean in 2.0 first week, and went back to Poignard) i also understand why u disagree and try to promote ur item, but sry it's just not the best. I didnt really wanna do this, but well, i did used the calculators from https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3qgpm4/the_most_op_coc_discharge_dps_calculator_v02/ the problem is it doesnt allow me to save the version i made, so i just can post screenshots. 1. http://imgur.com/BnNg47J 2. http://imgur.com/vxg1iS0 3. http://imgur.com/jmTSwiA 4. http://imgur.com/UFj2RIO 1st and 2nd pcitures show the statement, I used ur shadow tree, 6L with dicharge/ice nova/empower and all ur gears including all jewels. 3rd is the dps result with chimeric scalpel. 4th is the dps result with pheonix thirst with same gears/tree/jewels in picture 1st and 2nd, i only changed the weapon crit base from 8.37 to 8.84, and aps from 1.83 to 1.77. Its more accurate to check the proc rate because 3rd and 4th are using same gears, so, the proc rate of chimeric scalpel is 0.47 (acutally it is around 0.47~0.48). and the proc rate of pheonix thirst is 0.51 (0.50~0.51). so it leads to that the DPS result pheonix thirst is better even with the same gears/tree. about your point "global crit", unless u think adding ias on a ring cost too much, i dont agree because u'r using VP but not acuity, so u only care about the dps since the more dps u deal, the more leech u do. but its reasonable if u'r in low budget. Hm, im not sure about if scold works good with discharge, maybe you're right, but im just saying u can have more options on gears. " 好的男 wrote: i also understand why u disagree and try to promote ur item, but sry it's just not the best. Ya, no doubt im trying to promote my items, and you'r promoting ur guildmate's. We're not different. but it seems the result shows pheonix thirst is better. Editted: btw, u said u'v tested with royal skean, im interested in it, maybe u can show me to prove im wrong. IGN: Rayamn https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/723972 (Shop) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1114670 (Mirror Service) Last edited by aphrodite_1289#2041 on Nov 23, 2015, 9:04:26 AM	Posted by aphrodite_1289#2041 on Nov 23, 2015, 8:32:53 AM Quote this Post
" aphrodite_1289 wrote: " 好的男 wrote: " aphrodite_1289 wrote: should be newly best vagan dagger, the 8.84 crit base makes the tree/gears of this build more flexible, e.g. use scold's bridle instead of rat's. its global crit, which is boosting the spells aswell, so removing it would be pointless and that's why the gear is not flexible at all. also taking attackspeed is pointless when u can have it w/o wasting points or statsspots on the gear. scolds on discharge is also pretty bad, not sure why ppl are coming up with it, u wont be able to run immrotal call and VMS on the same time. Skean is #1 choice for temp leagues (or budget version of coc), at standard lalala mirror land its Poignard. (tested it with a fully crafted skean in 2.0 first week, and went back to Poignard) i also understand why u disagree and try to promote ur item, but sry it's just not the best. I didnt really wanna do this, but well, i did used the calculators from https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3qgpm4/the_most_op_coc_discharge_dps_calculator_v02/ the problem is it doesnt allow me to save the version i made, so i just can post screenshots. 1. http://imgur.com/BnNg47J 2. http://imgur.com/vxg1iS0 3. http://imgur.com/jmTSwiA 4. http://imgur.com/UFj2RIO 1st and 2nd pcitures show the statement, I used ur shadow tree, 6L with dicharge/ice nova/empower and all ur gears including all jewels. 3rd is the dps result with chimeric scalpel. 4th is the dps result with pheonix thirst with same gears/tree/jewels in picture 1st and 2nd, i only changed the weapon crit base from 8.37 to 8.84, and aps from 1.83 to 1.77. Its more accurate to check the proc rate because 3rd and 4th are using same gears, so, the proc rate of chimeric scalpel is 0.47 (acutally it is around 0.47~0.48). and the proc rate of pheonix thirst is 0.51 (0.50~0.51). so it leads to that the DPS result pheonix thirst is better even with the same gears/tree. about your point "global crit", unless u think adding ias on a ring cost too much, i dont agree because u'r using VP but not acuity, so u only care about the dps since the more dps u deal, the more leech u do. but its reasonable if u'r in low budget. Hm, im not sure about if scold works good with discharge, maybe you're right, but im just saying u can have more options on gears. " 好的男 wrote: i also understand why u disagree and try to promote ur item, but sry it's just not the best. Ya, no doubt im trying to promote my items, and you'r promoting ur guildmate's. We're not different. but it seems the result shows pheonix thirst is better. Editted: btw, u said u'v tested with royal skean, im interested in it, maybe u can show me to prove im wrong. Skean is the best base for CoC dagger. IGN:Vennttorr - Level 100 Witch - 1st Witch to 100. My mirror service thread: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/811499 My Crit Arc build: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1090691 -- Updated	Posted by Ventor#1827 on Nov 23, 2015, 9:22:56 AM Quote this Post
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" 好的男 wrote: Okay, so this is my tl;dr of ur post,... 95% CC (Cyclone) 92SD 96SCC 34CM 1.77APS against 101SD 99SCC 33CM 1.83APS Put both in ur calc with whatever base dmg and you'll c which weapon wins, the result are obvs... even w/o a calc So cut it here, deal with it, maybe with the next tree changes urs might be better, if they nerf cc again in the tree, who knows. It's not 95% CC because you are not at full PCs constantly. My simulator calculates the crit chance on the fly, so the average #PCs is taken into account. Furthermore we are limited by uniques, so it's not like we can simply get more CC on gear. To make up for lower CC you have to get CC on jewels (worse than CM or spell/area/elem damage/atk speed), or take heartseeker, or wear rat's nest. Rayamn is right that higher CC allows for more flexibility, like on my hybrid build, or it allows scolds which supercharges your single target damage. Your point about immortal call doesn't make sense. Scold's and immortal call don't have any issues, especially if you're using L20 CWDT. Anyways with my build and Rayamn's dagger I get 89.5k DPS and with Axn's I get 87.8k for 1 target. For 2 target it's 201.9k with Rayamn's and 200.6k with Axn's. For 5 targets it's 519.7k with Rayamn's and 514.4k with Axn's. I probably would mirror Rayamn's eventually if I knew that CoC isn't getting nerfed, but I doubt it's not getting nerfed. All my builds /view-thread/1430399 T14 'real' clearspeed challenge /1642265 Last edited by MatrixFactor#3574 on Nov 23, 2015, 11:46:01 AM	Posted by MatrixFactor#3574 on Nov 23, 2015, 11:33:37 AM Quote this Post
" 好的男 wrote: " aphrodite_1289 wrote: should be newly best vagan dagger, the 8.84 crit base makes the tree/gears of this build more flexible, e.g. use scold's bridle instead of rat's. Okay, so this is my tl;dr of ur post,... 95% CC (Cyclone) 92SD 96SCC 34CM 1.77APS against 101SD 99SCC 33CM 1.83APS Put both in ur calc with whatever base dmg and you'll c which weapon wins, the result are obvs... even w/o a calc So cut it here, deal with it, maybe with the next tree changes urs might be better, if they nerf cc again in the tree, who knows. Hmm, totally ignored my data from that coc calculator site... Anyway, I finally figured out why u think chimeric scalpel is better, Im sorry that the real formula is not as simple as u think. You'r not gonna have permanent 95% crit chance because discharge will consume all your charges once it's proc. Actually the frenquency of keeping 6 pc's is relatively low compare to keeping 1~3 power charges, which leads to that having four max pc's and six max pc's dont have a huge dps output different. (but ofc having six max pc's still deals more dmg than having four max pc's because u occasionally keep 5~6 charges.) So as a result, with pheonix thirst, you will reach 95% crit more frequently than chimeric scalpel but not just occasionally capped 95%. Highly recommend you to check out the CoC calculator that i linked, its really useful for coc discharge gameplay. IGN: Rayamn https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/723972 (Shop) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1114670 (Mirror Service)	Posted by aphrodite_1289#2041 on Nov 23, 2015, 11:34:52 AM Quote this Post
hi sir, very interested in your new version of the yolo discharger. i realy like the opportunity regardin herald of thunder with curse on hit and assasins mark with the intention to autocurse enemies preventing a manual cast. in your build u use herold of ice havin the elemental equilirium damage boost against single targets. simuntanly u use ice nova with coc and ofc discharge. my question is now, do you realy need herald of ice or will ice nova also do the job against single targets? because i want to stay in herald of thunder! kind regards ps: realy love your builds edit: is an opportunity to add cold dmg to rings? edit2: but does eq in use with pc and edc and hot work? because hot add lightn dmg to icenova doesnt it?? help!!! :) Last edited by THeRoCK2#4244 on Nov 23, 2015, 7:39:08 PM	Posted by THeRoCK2#4244 on Nov 23, 2015, 3:03:18 PM Quote this Post
I don't quite understand it either. Maybe I'm missing something here, but wouldn't Herald of Ice add ice dmg to your discharge and, thereby, nullify the effects of EE? At any rate, when Blasphemy comes out, you can be sure I'm gonna be using that instead. edit: nvm, I get it. Discharge may have ice dmg but the mob would already have -50% fire and lightning res from the attack/ice nova. My summoner guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1765329 My shop thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1748967 Last edited by Kaz2ndChance#7554 on Nov 23, 2015, 11:48:11 PM	Posted by Kaz2ndChance#7554 on Nov 23, 2015, 11:26:52 PM Quote this Post
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" aphrodite_1289 wrote: " 好的男 wrote: " aphrodite_1289 wrote: should be newly best vagan dagger, the 8.84 crit base makes the tree/gears of this build more flexible, e.g. use scold's bridle instead of rat's. Okay, so this is my tl;dr of ur post,... 95% CC (Cyclone) 92SD 96SCC 34CM 1.77APS against 101SD 99SCC 33CM 1.83APS Put both in ur calc with whatever base dmg and you'll c which weapon wins, the result are obvs... even w/o a calc So cut it here, deal with it, maybe with the next tree changes urs might be better, if they nerf cc again in the tree, who knows. Hmm, totally ignored my data from that coc calculator site... Anyway, I finally figured out why u think chimeric scalpel is better, Im sorry that the real formula is not as simple as u think. You'r not gonna have permanent 95% crit chance because discharge will consume all your charges once it's proc. Actually the frenquency of keeping 6 pc's is relatively low compare to keeping 1~3 power charges, which leads to that having four max pc's and six max pc's dont have a huge dps output different. (but ofc having six max pc's still deals more dmg than having four max pc's because u occasionally keep 5~6 charges.) So as a result, with pheonix thirst, you will reach 95% crit more frequently than chimeric scalpel but not just occasionally capped 95%. Highly recommend you to check out the CoC calculator that i linked, its really useful for coc discharge gameplay. I just had a look at this calculator... It's alright for calculating single target dps, but the assumption that you start every fight without any charges at all isn't in 95% of cases.	Posted by forsti#6794 on Nov 24, 2015, 7:01:37 AM Quote this Post
" forsti wrote: I just had a look at this calculator... It's alright for calculating single target dps, but the assumption that you start every fight without any charges at all isn't in 95% of cases. Ahh, I dont see what ur arguement is here. May u explain? Sorry for my bad english which is not my mother language. IGN: Rayamn https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/723972 (Shop) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1114670 (Mirror Service)	Posted by aphrodite_1289#2041 on Nov 24, 2015, 9:18:47 AM Quote this Post