Mechanics thread

Still contradicting. Player multipliers work on chests but EQ doesn't.

That just feels wrong one more reason to increase the basic drop rate and reduce the player multiplier.


Atziri with 6 players is a reward and 1 player is a joke.

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Hilbert wrote:

Still contradicting. Player multipliers work on chests but EQ doesn't.

That just feels wrong one more reason to increase the basic drop rate and reduce the player multiplier.


Atziri with 6 players is a reward and 1 player is a joke.

Still a joke with 6 players unless you're like the 1% that actually gets lucky otherwise you just leave with 6 inventories worth of alteration shards.

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StoicRoivaS wrote:

Thanks again for the response, but I'm really hoping for more than someone just saying "This is how it is" because clearly people think it works differing ways and nothing short of a GGG post or testing is really convincing.

That's the way i felt it when i played my ice spear shadow. With more than 30% critic chance on phase 1 i didn't make only critics on phase 2.

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Kissan wrote:

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StoicRoivaS wrote:

Thanks again for the response, but I'm really hoping for more than someone just saying "This is how it is" because clearly people think it works differing ways and nothing short of a GGG post or testing is really convincing.

That's the way i felt it when i played my ice spear shadow. With more than 30% critic chance on phase 1 i didn't make only critics on phase 2.

Well, sadly, there are a couple of things that prevent the easy testing of this, or I would have done it myself. Firstly, the only way (that I know of) to detect a crit is the screen shaking, but the screen most definitely does not shake exactly once per crit. Crits around the same time only produce one shake, and I have a sinking suspicion that for whatever reason, some crits do not produce a shake at all. So I find this a very poor measure of something that you want to be 100% on in testing.

Secondly, the crit cap is actually 95%, not 100% so simply getting to 17% and seeing if you crit every time is not a perfectly valid test either, because that 5% could show up over and over.

So really what it would take is someone getting exactly 95% crit using assumption method one, and doing many many tests while assuming the screen shake is accurate. Then using these results (with a somehow massive sample size to counter the 5% RNG miss and the screen shake weirdness) and compare them to the crit percentage that would arise from assumption method two. So in the end it's that, or a GGG post.

So assuming the 600% is on the base crit chance only, that gives IS a flat 42% crit chance in 2nd form, leaving 53% to be made up by gear/talents. Working backwards you would need .53 / .07 = ~758% increased crit chance from external sources to cap IS's crit in second form. Is this the consensus or did I goof the math somewhere?

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StoicRoivaS wrote:

So assuming the 600% is on the base crit chance only, that gives IS a flat 42% crit chance in 2nd form, leaving 53% to be made up by gear/talents. Working backwards you would need .53 / .07 = ~758% increased crit chance from external sources to cap IS's crit in second form. Is this the consensus or did I goof the math somewhere?

It's 657%/658% in fact you already have 7% at the begining, so you only need 46% more.

So, I thought I knew the answer to this, but apparently I was wrong. I am using the Reaper Axe and tried putting an Increased Skill Duration gem on one of my skill gems in the hope that it would increase the bleeding on hit duration on the Reaper Axe, but apparently it doesn't work that way. I'm guessing because it's not technically a skill, but it seems like a bit of an oversight to me. I had also planned on hitting the increased skill duration nodes in the passive tree, can I expect those to also not effect the duration of the bleed?

Really seems like it should. Pretty disappointing. =\

From what I remember reading, the effect from puncture isn't a debuff despite showing up in the top-left of the screen, so my guess is that the bleed from the axe isn't either. It just seems unfortunate that you wouldn't be able to increase the duration, and it seems that you SHOULD be able to, just the way in which the node (more so than the support gem) is coded to work, it doesn't recognize it as something that can be increased.