PvP Manifesto Post and Patch Notes Teaser

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p0t wrote:

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TikoXi wrote:

I think my problem is the alternative to block for casters is MoM+EB, which automatically means you need the Cloak of Defiance because lets be honest here, you cannot specc both of those passives in the same build, no way no how. They're what - 20 nodes apart? 30? Unfeasible for any build that needs that combo. (Would kill to have that MoM node moved at least a LITTLE closer to the spellcasting tree where it belongs -.- wtf is it doing down by duelist?)

The thing is, while block might have been a staple, it was a defence stat. All defence stats are staples, you pick the 2/3 that you want/can use and you grab the points in them and add that to your build. You don't have a "block build" (well...you did, but it wasn't very good. Ironically was going to become a lot better with the cast-on-block skills ironically coming now). Now, that's being gutted. Yes, it might have been needed for one reason or another, but now a lot of spellcaster builds just had their primary defence method ripped out and (unless you're a freeze mage) now require that very specific and very expensive unique to even be considered viable and that, my fellow, is extremely poor game design.

You didnt factor in that casters are currently the only "viable" build option lately. Any nerf to casters is welcomed these days, how long have we been clearing the entire content with flameblast then respecing? If all defensive stats are staples then why can you only use block, use the other forms of mitigation, oh yeh block currently is too good to not pick, hence the nerf is justified. Theres nothing more boring then when 1 thing is used by everyone when theres so much diversity in the game. Everytime something is as commonly used as block its nerfed and we adapt and the game changes, who wants to play in the same style year after year, seriously.

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p0t wrote:

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TikoXi wrote:

I think my problem is the alternative to block for casters is MoM+EB, which automatically means you need the Cloak of Defiance because lets be honest here, you cannot specc both of those passives in the same build, no way no how. They're what - 20 nodes apart? 30? Unfeasible for any build that needs that combo. (Would kill to have that MoM node moved at least a LITTLE closer to the spellcasting tree where it belongs -.- wtf is it doing down by duelist?)

The thing is, while block might have been a staple, it was a defence stat. All defence stats are staples, you pick the 2/3 that you want/can use and you grab the points in them and add that to your build. You don't have a "block build" (well...you did, but it wasn't very good. Ironically was going to become a lot better with the cast-on-block skills ironically coming now). Now, that's being gutted. Yes, it might have been needed for one reason or another, but now a lot of spellcaster builds just had their primary defence method ripped out and (unless you're a freeze mage) now require that very specific and very expensive unique to even be considered viable and that, my fellow, is extremely poor game design.

You didnt factor in that casters are currently the only "viable" build option lately. Any nerf to casters is welcomed these days, how long have we been clearing the entire content with flameblast then respecing? If all defensive stats are staples then why can you only use block and not the other forms of mitigation, oh yeh block currently is too good to not pick, hence the nerf is justified. Theres nothing more boring then when 1 thing is used by everyone when theres so much diversity in the game. Everytime something is as commonly used as block its nerfed and we adapt and the game changes, who wants to play in the same style year after year, seriously.

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TikoXi wrote:

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tmaciak wrote:

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TikoXi wrote:

I think my problem is the alternative to block for casters is MoM+EB, which automatically means you need the Cloak of Defiance because lets be honest here, you cannot specc both of those passives in the same build, no way no how. They're what - 20 nodes apart? 30? Unfeasible for any build that needs that combo. (Would kill to have that MoM node moved at least a LITTLE closer to the spellcasting tree where it belongs -.- wtf is it doing down by duelist?)

Really?

Spoiler

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgYAFeeXl0V8jDZzs_BrYeJVSxa_JpUfQQMeHNwtR1BC2wuCHohCwcV_xi9v2RNwu-wYSVHw1Y_6SbHXz_k374iTJ7QMKlNilbJwKPpXyQ186rpTUkWdmuDr7iTYhW3VgfnogsfYvf4Ktz5BhzWSpldN4_6POuHyRUrIbqq18oUydPEY21uv3Q0s6RUgKk0_J7iTpwidrhpsNukkqhZv42rVpuQimjvtPIKb7DiQVScv4XOiAASzxp4Qfwx9GjixQvMRcYXAGkbXVyn8xYd2Z6AmPBbzL53jn0p9

While that looks nice and pretty and all, what - pray tell, is that build supposed to do with 90% mana regen and modest amounts of spelldamage/elemental damage with hardly any crit chance and token amounts of weapon/projectile damage? Sustain them to death? I can't figure what spell you're trying to use there. An elemental blender incinerate?

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tmaciak wrote:

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TikoXi wrote:

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tmaciak wrote:

Really?

Spoiler

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgYAFeeXl0V8jDZzs_BrYeJVSxa_JpUfQQMeHNwtR1BC2wuCHohCwcV_xi9v2RNwu-wYSVHw1Y_6SbHXz_k374iTJ7QMKlNilbJwKPpXyQ186rpTUkWdmuDr7iTYhW3VgfnogsfYvf4Ktz5BhzWSpldN4_6POuHyRUrIbqq18oUydPEY21uv3Q0s6RUgKk0_J7iTpwidrhpsNukkqhZv42rVpuQimjvtPIKb7DiQVScv4XOiAASzxp4Qfwx9GjixQvMRcYXAGkbXVyn8xYd2Z6AmPBbzL53jn0p9

While that looks nice and pretty and all, what - pray tell, is that build supposed to do with 90% mana regen and modest amounts of spelldamage/elemental damage with hardly any crit chance and token amounts of weapon/projectile damage? Sustain them to death? I can't figure what spell you're trying to use there. An elemental blender incinerate?

Yes, this is tree for dual wield Catalyst Incirenator. Of course, I would prefer to use Cloack, but I just don't have 6L Cloack, and it's still better to spend 10 points to get MoM that to use 5L one.

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dragnar wrote:

give casters other way,s to deal whit reflect ( more elemental life steal on items < easier excess to them )

or maybe a passive 50% more block chance ( can only block spells now )

i dont wanne be forced to get eb + mom ( or that mom item )

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p0t wrote:

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dragnar wrote:

give casters other way,s to deal whit reflect ( more elemental life steal on items < easier excess to them )

or maybe a passive 50% more block chance ( can only block spells now )

i dont wanne be forced to get eb + mom ( or that mom item )

Generally, who else would have the mana for MoM other than casters? Its not like your strength based melee builds would ever be able to use MoM as well as casters.

How can casters use block so efficiently and use MoM and yet people arent expecting this nerf?? I think I know why.

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TikoXi wrote:

Move Mind over Mater into the caster tree, and then your arugement is valid. Until that node is accessible, you're just backing up our main arguement because with it way down in the bottom of the duelist tree, it *isn't* accessible, and casters CANT feasibly use MoM (with or without Block) without Cloak of Defiance.