PvP Manifesto Post and Patch Notes Teaser

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Immundissime wrote:

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Frailboy wrote:

I'm surprised people haven't discussed the defensive use for counter striking yet either. Leech. Two handers that get hit have a chance to counter, with vaal pact and life leech they might heal back to full immediately. With endurance charge on stun they could get one if they hit hard enough. Using the other two gems, with only 50% block that means half the time you take no damage and can hit them back with a leeching attack to heal up or cast on melee kill or cast on crit. Hmm counterstrike + leech + CoC + EK... double healing on proc...

Since not so long there's only one-source applied leech. So if u leech from main attack and it gives more - it will be the only source. And how do u think will counter attacks leech more than main attack?

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Frailboy wrote:

Incinerators are casters. They don't need a weapon, they don't need anything in their hands. Why would they be counter striking?

The gems are counter STRIKE. You don't counter someone with a defensive move. If people want more defensive options... ask for them. Counter strikes are for damage, block/parry/dodge then attack back.

If you look at 1.2 builds on the forums you have players with-
max block
max spell block
dodge
spell dodge
evasion
arctic armor
lightning coil
CWDT + EC + IC + inc duration

All on one character...

In OB people often chose IR or acrobatics/evasion or block or CI, we've gotten spoiled.

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Frailboy wrote:

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Immundissime wrote:

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Frailboy wrote:

I'm surprised people haven't discussed the defensive use for counter striking yet either. Leech. Two handers that get hit have a chance to counter, with vaal pact and life leech they might heal back to full immediately. With endurance charge on stun they could get one if they hit hard enough. Using the other two gems, with only 50% block that means half the time you take no damage and can hit them back with a leeching attack to heal up or cast on melee kill or cast on crit. Hmm counterstrike + leech + CoC + EK... double healing on proc...

Since not so long there's only one-source applied leech. So if u leech from main attack and it gives more - it will be the only source. And how do u think will counter attacks leech more than main attack?

That doesn't apply if you have Vaal Pact. Let's say vengeance has a 33% chance to proc. You cyclone through 10 mobs, 6 of them hit you as you pass. Vengeance is expected to proc twice doing aoe damage and instant leeching 2 times. That's only 2 sockets.

All theorycrafting at the moment. The moves better have internal cool downs or we're going to see the same problems we did a year ago.

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Odoakar wrote:

Path of procs and playing on auto-pilot.

I prefer self-casted skills.

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~ A Long Road to 100 ~

CoC Discharge Shadow L88
3-Curse LB Witch L84

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Immundissime wrote:

Mm, probably u're right about VP, but still u'll got much more leech from main attack (cyclone), leech from procs of counter-attacks will be insignificant.

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Frailboy wrote:

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Immundissime wrote:

Mm, probably u're right about VP, but still u'll got much more leech from main attack (cyclone), leech from procs of counter-attacks will be insignificant.

It's free damage and healing for 1 or 2 gems. Seems like a good thing. My staff build I'm working on has almost 500% physical damage, crit nodes, hatred, HoA... I'm thinking a counter attack might hit kind of hard.

BTW I'm not saying melee are saved, this patch fixed everything, everyone should stop playing witches. Just saying if this is what we're given, we should look at ways to make it useful.

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oRieLLi wrote:

Added a new Intelligence/Strength support gem - Physical to Lightning.

Pure elemental Glacial Cascade Hype!