Vaal Fragment Changes in 1.2.4d

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Chris wrote:

If we had them drop while players were running regular maps then they'd merely stockpile them and occasionally get some free Atziri runs out of their existing play.

I just want to repost this.


Because I'm fucking lost for words and for hope (no pun)

Free repost (wtf?)

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

If GGG thinks there is any meaningful risk vs reward balance in their endgame then they need to get their head out of server stats screens and actually play their own game because it just doesnt exist, at all.

Of course we all know that. What are we talking about here? This change is an added bonus, not an solution. A solution would be for CZs to naturally spawn in maps, as you play though them. (I said exactly this, even before SotV released, but don't expect it to happen)

GGG wont do this because of economeh & "jobs" for poor bastards grinding at the base of the pyramid. We all know that.

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Meet a cartobox in lower zones, corrupt it, profit. Still better than observing your latency graph while you load Archives. -_-

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tbh, I didnt expect any changes at all

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Barl wrote:

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It was intentional that Vaal Fragments didn't drop in the existing end-game (or from bosses people already run like Piety or Dominus), because we designed the content to be an alternative end-game activity.

We didn't want to increase the spawn rate of Corrupted Areas (as we have to manage the amount of complex distractions that players run into while playing), and we didn't want to make Fragments drop from existing end-game activities that players already performed. We also wanted to tie the new way of getting Vaal Fragments into something Vaal-themed.

This was and remains a terrible design decision. You guys just aren't getting it. Have you read the hundreds and hundreds of feedback posts detailing why? Farming low level content was NEVER a good alternative to end game activity.

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In update 1.2.4d, bosses of corrupted Maps have a high chance to drop a Vaal Fragment or Vaal Skill Gem. This change works extremely well in testing. It encourages people to play corrupted Maps which are a lot more random and fun due to their crazy eight mods or through being unidentified. It also makes the dual-boss Map mod a lot more exciting.

A small band-aid that does little to nothing to alleviate the poor design decision of having to farm LOW LEVEL CONTENT for access to END GAME ACTIVITIES.

Go back to the drawing board. Read the hundreds of feedback posts on this, because you guys are still lost on this one.

I'll +1 this as well.

I'm always a strong supporter of you guys when you make incremental objective improvements and other people are whining about how the improvements aren't good enough because they're inaccessible (for example, the whiners about the 1500 fusing 6L).

This isn't that. At best, you've done nothing, at worst, you've actively hurt the affordability of vaal orbs for what low-[in-game]-income players using vaal orbs for what they are currently being used for. This wasn't an issue with fusings because not only does the existence of a vendor option make fusings much less of a pain for newbies to remain "self-found", but in the same expansion you even made fusing cheaper.

If you're going to try to listen to people's complaints, at least let them weigh in on the analysis of why they're complaining. As Barl said, this is just a band-aid. If you're going to acknowledge that there's a problem, actually acknowledge it.

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the_truth wrote:

this seems like primarily a sc thing to do


vaaling a map in hc is always the best idea

It's not like hardcore players do much atziri farming anyway.. Just do a search for some atziri uniques in beyond, 2 sceptres and 15 belts...

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Chris wrote:

If we had them drop while players were running regular maps then they'd merely stockpile them and occasionally get some free Atziri runs out of their existing play.

I just want to repost this.


Because I'm fucking lost for words and for hope (no pun)

second !

I see a lot of people who care strongly one way or the other. I have to admit, getting people to care about a game suggests POE has made it. =)

Mixed within the news posts recently is also a general trend of people expecting uniques and skill gems (at least supports) every 2 weeks. Yes, its true, GGG is busy with Act 4, such that the continuous content cycles feel a little thin / robbed.

Regardless, here's looking forward to March 2015. GGG, keep up the good work, there will always be critics.

You could allow CZ to spawn in maps but never drop a midnight. No free atziri runs there,we would still have to run the fragments to have a chance to drop a midnight. I can't find a reason to vaal a good map for a chance to get vaal spectral throw. 1 ruined 78 map is 1 ex lost,which equals 30 fragments in trade. Of course this doesn't matter for full mirrored chars that can do any content. Since 1 vaal orb costs more than a fragment,your change makes no difference for "amateur endgame players" like me.

Too little too late imo. Add the possibility for corrupted zones in maps and be done with it.

I love this game and the devs, but this change is just pointless. I have played hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours since SoTV and I would bet that I haven't dropped more than about 30-40 vaal orbs. If the drop rate isn't buffed then this is pointless. I'm not wasting my other currency to buy Vaal orbs to have a CHANCE at a "most likely" crap fragment. In my opinion vaal orbs are one of the best things ever introduced in this game, but they just don't drop enough.

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Achilion wrote:

:)

edit : that wont ecourage me to corupt maps tho, vaal orbs are so rare i can barely use them for corupting uniques :(. I guess i will have to wait for better atziri farming times

edit 2: ... maybe if corrupted boss had the chance to drop 3-4 fragments at a time then who knows maybe it could be fun to do it, but 1 which usualy will be dusk/dawn or gem hmm.


Bring back City of Sarn <3

best 1st post ever ;)