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BestiyaLV wrote:
No, 2 Ex is more than OK, even 5Ex will be ok.
Why?
1) To get that Elron to Lvl 8 - as a single player, i have it only Lvl6 and don't think I will reach Lvl 8 till end of Rampage league.
2) Whn you will have it Lvl 8, you will have few Exalts in stash.
3) High-end traders - why not? They still will have 2Ex to spent for items to get BiS.
No, it's not. Two exalts for the average self found player is way too much. This isn't a balanced change, in fact it is the exact opposite of balance as it only helps those who are already rich. The crafts need to require items that are easily accessible to everyone.
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Posted byshadowscion#2981on Sep 26, 2014, 1:54:58 AM
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
Chris, I beg you to read what Im about to write
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Qarl wrote:
The price of the "of Crafting" mod (which grants the ability to have multiple crafted mods) has been changed from one Divine Orb to two Exalted Orbs.
this mod was ridiculously buffing high level trading players who did not need the buff at all. Now by increasing the cost like this you are taking it much further out of the reach of self found players, while the high level trading players will have absolutely no problem getting 2 exalts. That is as chump change to people like us who make trades for items worth 10s if not 100s of exalted orbs fairly regularly as a Divine orb, and a complete joke of a price compared to what we paid for such items or to craft such items before.
However, for players who are not big time traders this is a ridiculous price, how often do you expect them to find 2 exalts? This does nothing to combat how much of a joke this mods power and price is for the ballers yet puts it further out of reach for people who couldnt get those items before. I believe this mod should have been prevented from working on weapons, it makes a joke of the game, but if you allow it to exist I implore you not to make this change for the sake of the people who are relying on 2 exalted orbs dropping now to actually use this. It does nothing to stop the problems with this mod and helps destroy the only good it could possibly do, which is help the very people who dont have 2 exalts in the first place.
If you find a 6 link from a corrupted box or a tabula you can make a divine from a vendor, theres ways to force a divine into your pocket from a self found perspective even if they dont drop, theres no way to make 2 exalts appear if they dont drop. So far in rampage I have found 1 exalt, if I were self found there I couldnt do the mod. However, I trade there, Ive bought pairs of boots for 10 exalts, Ive offered 15+ exalts for boots, because I trade I have that access, because I trade I didnt need this mod to make the game any easier to start with.
This is so, so, so wrong, please dont do this, either remove it or let it help the people who needed help.
Exactly why they should have made it cost a lot of chaos orbs instead. Chaos are not only useless right now, but they are also farmable.
^THIS!
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Posted byressiv#3478on Sep 26, 2014, 2:02:56 AM
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shadowscion wrote:
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BestiyaLV wrote:
No, 2 Ex is more than OK, even 5Ex will be ok.
Why?
1) To get that Elron to Lvl 8 - as a single player, i have it only Lvl6 and don't think I will reach Lvl 8 till end of Rampage league.
2) Whn you will have it Lvl 8, you will have few Exalts in stash.
3) High-end traders - why not? They still will have 2Ex to spent for items to get BiS.
No, it's not. Two exalts for the average self found player is way too much. This isn't a balanced change, in fact it is the exact opposite of balance as it only helps those who are already rich. The crafts need to require items that are easily accessible to everyone.
Ive seen 3 drop in a day, Ive seen 6 weeks go by with 0, theyre wayyyyyyy to high variance to be in any way reliable.
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Posted bySnorkle_uk#0761on Sep 26, 2014, 2:10:11 AM
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inDef wrote:
I don't notice any mention of the "Beacons" you previously announced for 1.2.3.
Did you re-think their addition after the immense amount of community feedback against them?
They're mentioned (not by name) in the Haku section. After the changes in this patch, his missions are a lot more fun now.
Is this GGG's official response
that current crit dagger mechanism
versus twohanded are fine
And you got no intent/ further plan to fix it?
Such shame GGG
Much disappointed
Is this your official response that you are fine with slavery and world hunger?
“Demons run when a good man goes to war"
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Posted bySneakypaw#3052on Sep 26, 2014, 2:19:13 AM
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shadowscion wrote:
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BestiyaLV wrote:
No, 2 Ex is more than OK, even 5Ex will be ok.
Why?
1) To get that Elron to Lvl 8 - as a single player, i have it only Lvl6 and don't think I will reach Lvl 8 till end of Rampage league.
2) Whn you will have it Lvl 8, you will have few Exalts in stash.
3) High-end traders - why not? They still will have 2Ex to spent for items to get BiS.
No, it's not. Two exalts for the average self found player is way too much. This isn't a balanced change, in fact it is the exact opposite of balance as it only helps those who are already rich. The crafts need to require items that are easily accessible to everyone.
My highest char is now 83, lvling others to get Lvl65 (4th in process), and I got 2 Exalts in Rampage by now.
BUT this is a LVL 8 crafting mod - it MUST be expensive. And no, I think I dont need that one, i have ~8k Arc damage on my witch(and 10k if nor IIR gem), I can kill all I want(with max resists).
Heck, even with my lvl 65 shadow Reave I got at lvl 65 8.5k pure damage with just leveling gear and pure no-q gems.
To summarize - my point is - casual(or a bit more like me) player dont need that multi-craft option, so 2Ex, 1 Divine or 5Ex - fck it. 99.99% i will not even reach that option nor use it.
P.S. 1 craft option for gear is way to how it meant to be used. Get medium lvl rings/amulet/weps and craft ONE mod, that you are missing(+all attr/+all res/+atack speed or others) and you can get to lvl 65 in few days. My duelist now has all uniq gear(90% self found) and using uniq wep still just blast through all to Act 2 Merciless.
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Posted byBestiyaLV#6357on Sep 26, 2014, 2:31:00 AM
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The mod can be as expensive as they want it to be. The issue, to me, is not the price, but the CURRENCY.
I cannot farm exalted orbs AT ALL, unless I trade.
I cannot work toward getting those mods, unless I trade.
I cannot set an attainable goal, unless I trade.
To a trader, it makes no difference if it costs 2 ex or 100 chaos, but to the the self-found and casual player, it absolutely DOES. It means the difference between this being usable and game-enhancing, or just another unavailable, trade-only content that is not Joe Player.
FM was meant to be for people who are not playing 16 hours a day, every day. And yet it is shaping exactly into that.
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Posted byMivo#2486on Sep 26, 2014, 2:55:28 AM
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Sounds like a good Patch, hope for some more Fun & less risky Haku-Missions.
Would absolutely support the Change from Exalted to Chaos when it comes to the Elreon-Crafting-Mod, seems a good Idea as we really seem to need more Chaos Sinks & Exalted Orbs are really not obtainable for Non-Traders.
And as Charan stated, don't worry about the not mentioned Things, GGG is reading/listening, they always are/were.
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Posted byEzekiel_#5954on Sep 26, 2014, 3:07:58 AM
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Mivo wrote:
The mod can be as expensive as they want it to be. The issue, to me, is not the price, but the CURRENCY.
I cannot farm exalted orbs AT ALL, unless I trade.
I cannot work toward getting those mods, unless I trade.
I cannot set an attainable goal, unless I trade.
To a trader, it makes no difference if it costs 2 ex or 100 chaos, but to the the self-found and casual player, it absolutely DOES. It means the difference between this being usable and game-enhancing, or just another unavailable, trade-only content that is not Joe Player.
FM was meant to be for people who are not playing 16 hours a day, every day. And yet it is shaping exactly into that.
Now you will have a GOAL --> play PoE till you find 2 Exalts AND level Elreon up to Lvl 8 :)
Again, as i posted in previous post, as casual player you don't need that option :)
P.S. I still have a goal to kill Atziri - with dual flame totem lvl90 scion it was not possible, so new changes to skills/weps will make it possible, i hope :)
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Posted byBestiyaLV#6357on Sep 26, 2014, 3:08:51 AM
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Well, while I like the change from Divine to exalts, I agree with some posters: There needs to be more expensive Chaos mods. Being able to craft 44 life on rings and amuletts for just a few chaos is ridiculously cheap, make it more expensive. I can tell you why I think there is a shift in value for certain orbs:
The chaos recipy became way more known over time. A lot of casual players are using it now, heck, through some streamers, even split farming became a thing for players playing casual. All while chaos spamming on maps is lesser used now, because with a good use of transmutes and alts you can easily have a +35-40 map (using Zanas portal) and find enough new maps to sustain. This is mostly common knowledge now.
On the flipside: Exalteds are scarcely used by players except by high end crafters. Nobody uses them really, because resulst may vary and most players know they are the main currency for high tier items they might want to buy in the future.
Other way around for Divines. Yes, they are more rare. But most players actually use them because the are way more usefull then exalteds, and they are not viewed as "currency", more as a tool.
tl,dr: Please add more chaos sinks to crafting to keep inflation in check.
Sidenote:
Now that you are buffing HoF: Can I be sure that you guys are fine with HoA and that there's no nerf incoming? Because as of now I am afraid to plan a build specifically around it, because even with a char not made for it, just slapping it on top makes ridiculous amounts of damage. So am still waiting for that nerf...
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Posted byt_golgari#2414on Sep 26, 2014, 3:15:20 AM
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BestiyaLV wrote:
Now you will have a GOAL --> play PoE till you find 2 Exalts AND level Elreon up to Lvl 8 :)
That's just it. :) Adding a second "fuck you" to the first "fuck you" doesn't somehow make it better, yet that is exactly what GGG are doing. You may enjoy that sort of treatment, but not all of us do.
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Posted byMivo#2486on Sep 26, 2014, 3:21:07 AM
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