2.3 Fakener (budget fake Mjölner) build - Trickster Version

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CrackedSanity wrote:

Thanks for showing me that. I looked at both, but noticed that the no 2x curse is lower level. What is the major difference between the two when the same level and why does having 2 curses require changes in the tree? (isn't it just the ring?)

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alvuimil wrote:

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CrackedSanity wrote:

I have about 200 chaos on perandus atm. Whats the best option to go with that I can get started with that currency range between scion and trickster?

Scion will make the crit cap easier and make it so my cheaper 5-link is almost like the 6-link that i cant afford due to leech, but will need eleron stuff and better ES gear.

Trickster will give me energy shield to make gearing easier and free cyclone will let me dodge getting eleron stuff but I cannot afford a 6 link and would need to think about where i get the leech from.

I'm not knowledgeable about the price of things and about the finer details of this build... so please let me know what you think would work better on a 200 chaos budget. (Also, I typically never play a build after the league ends, so no chance of me ever going mega high end with it in standard if that makes any difference.)

Thanks for your time

PS: I did read the post before this one... but wanted to get more opinions.

Looks like u didnt read all...read the post just above urs.

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HollabackGuy wrote:

Got lucky with gear so far

Spoiler

Doing CI Trickster and the stun is more of a hassle than chaos damage. Going to have to farm for the stun avoidance or dodge. Hybrid seems like it'd be a bigger headache though unless I'm misunderstanding.

Stun shoulndt be a problem, cant get stun while cycloning....u should be all the time spinning. I played CI Fakener most of the time in Talisman league, i coulndt notice any stun....besides the rocks in the path stoping my whirlwing..

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alvuimil wrote:

Id say Trickster is the best. the +1% base crit is just useless, 6,4 seconds of Diamond Flask cover that. And leech can be done with Warlord mark (higher leech 2% instead 1,5). Can't do Immune curse maps, yeah but i never do them.

Trickster
> free cyclone = better rings can be used, no mana on hit jewels, no clarity.
> 250 flat ES, way easier to gear.
> 20% increased attack speed EVERYTIME you use a move skill, cyclone is a move skill. 20% attack speed ALWAYS.

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NetBurst wrote:

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alvuimil wrote:

Id say Trickster is the best. the +1% base crit is just useless, 6,4 seconds of Diamond Flask cover that. And leech can be done with Warlord mark (higher leech 2% instead 1,5). Can't do Immune curse maps, yeah but i never do them.

Trickster
> free cyclone = better rings can be used, no mana on hit jewels, no clarity.
> 250 flat ES, way easier to gear.
> 20% increased attack speed EVERYTIME you use a move skill, cyclone is a move skill. 20% attack speed ALWAYS.

Trickster is good if you have 6l Voll's Protector. Warlord's Mark have two huge problems: curse immunity and curse effectiveness. We don't have any problems with trash, only with bosses. And here we WILL need Life Leech gem to have reliable leech, because bosses will reduce your leech from Warlord's Mark to 0.8% because of curse effectiveness: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Curse . I tried it and decided against using blasphemy. Instead, I run 2 purities (fire + lightning) + discipline. This is all on CI. I needed to take several mana reservation nodes and mana on hit jewels, but it was well worth it.

Also, thing with cyclone is that, aspd can be bypassed by movement speed. So, you wont benefit that much from aspd damage-wise. Only on whirling blades speed. This is more QoL change, because whirling blades frequently blocked by some garbage...

Next, crit. I have >75% crit for cyclone and discharge. This is without charges. Cast On Critical Strike gem have cast chance of 70% at lvl 21. So, with this, I'm almost always at max power charges when I discharge. This means 95% crit chance for Discharge. With so much crit, I can afford to drop diamond ring and/or maligaro's and still reach crit cap on full power charges. Also, diamond flask wont help you kill bosses, that require you to fight for longer than 13 seconds (Atziri, Uber, Malachai, Ambrius).

Only major benefit of Trickster is ES. This is really hard to pass, but to match effectiveness of a Scion, you will need to have 6l cause you need reliable way to leech.

All in all, Scion vs Shadow is more like philosophical question. It all depends :) . Trickster will be better suitability-wise if you have gg gear and AssZerker will be better if you have any non-gg gear.

My current gear

My current tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAABAADBAwQDlgceDXwOSBBiES8RUBGWFdcZihqPHNwgbiL0KPopTyoLKjgrCiy_LOEy0TW5Oyg8BT1fQZZFR0ZxRwZJUUmxTLNQMFJTVmNXyV3yX2pfsGBDY0NknWu3bAttGW49b55wUnBWcLt3B3_GgpuDCYRThMWFfYauhxOJ04w2jHaPGo_6kBuTJ5Uul5WX9JitmhOaO5u1nKSePJ_foS-mMqcrqHKsZq6zsVu0DLiTuT65k76AvorAZsMJwzrKSsrT0NDQ9dWm18_YdtvU6rrr7uv17BjsOO0873zviO_98NXyHfLh9tr5N_sJ?accountName=NetBurst&characterName=Anki

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CrackedSanity wrote:

Would the +60 mana from alira in normal help with that or is the skillpoint still better? Skipping oak because im going to go CI.