[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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RoCKeTs wrote:

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

Proj Weakness is superior. Let's not mislead by what we think something "looks like."

Thanks, that's what i thought, path of building is rarely wrong :)
Weird that it's never mentioned in this build.

Don't know if people realize but it's just a half-assed repackage of what was there already, very little value was added from how poor it was prior.

Mainly this guide lives on because of its legacy and because there's a loot filter attached to the creator, so make no mistake that it's the only reason. Ideologies represented here frustrate me when I read them, because I know the work that I and others have done are drowned out.

I know that this build is not really followed since perandus, the 3.0 "remastered" is a joke there is not even a pantheon advice, some mistakes, but it's not that bad, there was a lot of work done here too.

@skippsy Conc ist concentrated effect. Blast rain is a very gimmicky choice for single target. Barrage is better + affordable for bow builds. Flask is at it's all-time low. Enchant is affordable on overenchanted bases.

@Rockets he actually mentioned the soul of yugul somewhere in a side note. But...I know what you are saying.

@Siliarius - are you really sure with your advice to vo full out on bleed? Ele conversion and related builds are a very safe choice for all relevant content. Can you get the 1.5-2.5 million shaper dps with decent leaguegear on a bleed build though? And what about mapping?

@Saranghaevo I know you helped a lot of people around here for a long time.

A quick update: there are less fanboys hanging around here.

Nothing else has changed, however. Same audience, same questions, same level of advice. The thread isn't toxic at all so that's one positive thing.

Anyway.. you made the right decision and I want to leave for a while as well. Almost any question can be answer with a search function / reading other guides or going back 1-2 pages.
Which is rarely done.

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Guys, help pls! Play for Scion, and a pump of the character as did the author of this guide, but instead no, I can't really kill anyone, please, tell me where do I take the damage? I don't know why I have so little damage! In Path of Building damage writes more, and it is much less frustrating to play...

Use https://translate.yandex.ru/ Sorry :D

Ru Variation
Играю за Scion и качаю персонажа как это делал автор данного гайда, но урона нету, я не могу никого толком убивать, прошу, подскажите, где взять мне урон? Я не знаю почему у меня так мало урона! В Path of Building урона пишет больше, да и то его куда меньше, руки опускаются играть...

This is my first character/league and it seems like ive been following a dead guide/build. I've accumulated decent gear/crafted a decent Harby following this guide but most people i see just running cheap unique bows and getting more out of them. I've had some issues with guardians with this build, ive managed chimera/hydra but have attempted and failed minotaur 4x now. I have 6k hp and 47k self buffed TS dps. There is a lot of conflicting info in the guide itself (says to use ele weakness in one part/ then has assasins mark linked in another section) and reading through some of the responses makes it more confusing. I've been running FA on my 6L but just recently switched to maim after reading about DR on FA, but i cant really tell the difference running maps (tooltip dps is roughly the same). Anyways, not sure how i can link my current build/gear in forums but if someone more knowledgeable could give me some tips/info/advice on how to salvage this build for end game content (my friends are suggesting i just start over) id greatly appreciate it. Thanks

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juerk wrote:

@Saranghaevo I know you helped a lot of people around here for a long time.

A quick update: there are less fanboys hanging around here.

Nothing else has changed, however. Same audience, same questions, same level of advice. The thread isn't toxic at all so that's one positive thing.

Anyway.. you made the right decision and I want to leave for a while as well. Almost any question can be answer with a search function / reading other guides or going back 1-2 pages.
Which is rarely done.

It's just really sad to see honestly.

Good to see that people are reacting appropriately in 3.0 and noticing that there are some real issues.

I don't blame you if you want to step away either. You know I'll always hold your opinions highly no matter what happens.

Hey there, thank you very much for this build, Im using it in HC and it works nicely. But I have a couple of questions about some of the leech mechanics.

So Im playing the Tornado Raider (Im at lvl 75 in HC so far) and I noticed in the skill tree you get only 0.4% leech from one single node and you go vaal pact with just that. Is that supposed to be enough to leech at a decent rate or am I missing something? Because I had to pick a couple extra leech talents to keep up with the leech...

The second question is about blood rage and its leech. The tooltip says you leech 2% of your PHYS damage, the thing is I already converted all my phys damage to ele (fire and cold mostly), I do 0 phys damage currently which is what I'm supposed to do (I think?). The question is... does the PHYS leech from the bloodrage still applies or it just goes to waste?

ps. Also does anyone have good advise about what pantheon gods should I use for all-around purposes?

Thanks again for the wonderful guide :)

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Sharman wrote:

I've had some issues with guardians with this build, ive managed chimera/hydra but have attempted and failed minotaur 4x now. I have 6k hp and 47k self buffed TS dps.

This is more than enough for minotaur, you can't facetank minotaur, you have to move when he slam then stay out of the falling rocks circle, at this moment minotaur will probably do the burrow skill because you are too far of him, don't stay on his trajectory, as soon as he unborrow go melee, repeat when he slam, use blink arrow for lightning wall, kill golems.

Thanks for the tips. I have a good understanding of the fight but run out of room very quickly. I've had some pretty rippy mods on the attempts ive tried so maybe ill get lucky next time. What would you suggest i run with 6L? Currently running TS-GMP-PPAD-PTL-WED-Maim and its my only attack(running koams) Would pierce or crit support be better? I've also been running assassins mark but according to NS guide he says to link AM to COH but also has Ele weakness so im not sure which is better.





Currently saving for +1 arrow signal fire, theyve gone up dramatically in price this week so i might buy a 40% koams and wait until i have the exalts for the quiver. Thanks again for the feedback/advice i appreciate it!

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juerk wrote:

@Siliarius - are you really sure with your advice to vo full out on bleed? Ele conversion and related builds are a very safe choice for all relevant content. Can you get the 1.5-2.5 million shaper dps with decent leaguegear on a bleed build though? And what about mapping?

I never told him to go full bleed or that it's superior.

I told him what I would try if I were to play with bleed. That's very different.
I have not a singular intention of going out and doing the testing for him - he has the armor after all and all it takes is a bunch of regret orbs, the tree wouldn't need that many changes for a start. He can quite easily test it out and give feedback here. Would be quite a nice change compared to all those ppl coming here saying "Hey can you please inspect my whole gear and tell me which item exactly do I need to buy?", wouldn't you agree?

As for map clear, obviously it cannot be faster then dealing instant damage. Then again, with good enough bow, one crit is all it takes to kill a pack most of the times.

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RoCKeTs wrote:

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

Proj Weakness is superior. Let's not mislead by what we think something "looks like."

Thanks, that's what i thought, path of building is rarely wrong :)
Weird that it's never mentioned in this build.

Yes, I was mistaken, parson my imperfections.
Projectile weakness is a multiplier and on paper it's better.
Note that ele weakness can bolster your elemental effects though, such as shock (dmg bonus) and freeze (duration). Plus it also boosts the explosion effect of Herald of Ice.
Dunno which is better really, I go with Ass Mark anyway.

Also as for not being mislead by what something "looks like" - last time I checked that DPS calculator app, it told me ele focus is the best. Only it didn't take into account that you cannot actually freeze, hence from Herald of Ice, hence proc curses... yay, but ele focus is best support on paper! :-P