[3.0]Facebreaker Cycloner REDUX - Voyage to 1M dps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwvPaw8zvRI in this video you dont use tempest shield, i see the hatred and HoA, so whats the 3rd aura you have going? And as of this day do you still use that 3rd aura or do you use tempest?

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Wheredafksmypeel wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwvPaw8zvRI in this video you dont use tempest shield, i see the hatred and HoA, so whats the 3rd aura you have going? And as of this day do you still use that 3rd aura or do you use tempest?

Back then I ran Hatred + HoA + Haste and I still had Soverignty specced. In the new clips in the first post you see the setup I'm still using, with Hatred, HoA and Tempest Shield.

Just wanted to stop by and say very solid and flexible softcore build! Now I actually have a reason to use my Scion before The Awakening goes live, and the build is only going to get better with 2.0 (assuming there's no Cyclone nerf, not that there should be) thanks to all the jewel slots we'll have available. Unfortunately it looks like we'll need Enlighten once the Reduced Mana change goes live if we don't want to take any reduced mana nodes on the tree. What a silly change, moving RM functionality to that gem. "Reduced socket pressure" my ass.

Anyway, I'm level 81, have about 42k dps before flasks with 800% FB in a 5L, and ~5100 life with BotB.


It's a lot squishier than I'd like, but I can probably do better if I drop my dps shield for something with a lot of armour. I've been manually casting Enduring Cry and I hate it, but I need the Endurance Charges to survive and want to prepare for the CwDT change. I wish EC was left as a spell and IC became a warcry instead.

Originally I took Kraityn's attack speed bonus in Cruel and I later switched to Oak's physical bonus, but I'm pretty sure Kraityn gave more tooltip dps. I wonder if that's because I don't have a ton of physical damage on my jewelry? Do you find that physical nodes are generally more important than attack speed with Cyclone? Would you take the phys nodes before the attack speed nodes when moving to the left of Coordination on the tree?

Well, all aura's have reduced mana reservation because of the change they made with Reduced Mana in the beta. And even if they didn't change it I would just drop Tempest Shield and only run the Hatred and HoA setup (should reserve 93% mana, but since Hatred is down to 50% reservation we'll still have 17% mana left).

As far as damage goes, attack speed is important because of your mobility while doing small Cyclone steps. The sooner you're down with a Cyclone attack, the sooner you can start a new one in a different direction.

Increased physical damage scales with your flat physical damage on your gear so in a situation where you don't have that much phys on your gear yet, attack speed might add more dps.

Since the wipe two days ago in the beta I'v started a Scion to get a sense of the new tree and what to do with it. I haven't gotten all gear yet to start Cycloning (Meginord's and Abyssus are the most important I'm missing atm) so I'm levelling with the new Ice Crash skill which is insane and works unarmed as well. I won't get anywhere near the dps on this char (for one, I don't think I'll get a 6 link but I do have a 738% Facebreaker and a 5 linked chest already) but I will report my progress once I'm ready to use Cyclone.

Just wanna point out that if you play around small Cyclone attacks to hit with the initial attack, which is instant after you activate the skill, and you want to try to minimize your animation time for Cyclone, attack speed plays literally no role, it's all about movement speed. So in this case, you need to get very high physical damage and don't actually care about attack speed.
Attack speed is useful if you wanna take long spins through groups of enemies.

Also, a good build is all about balance between physical damage and attack speed, so if you don't want to play around the spammy version of Cyclone with movement speed, your damage is actually :
DPS = Average Dmg * Attacks per second

At a certain point, you need to get a good balance between both, since they are multiplicative (and multiplicative bonuses are always very strong) and not just stack one and forget about the other, since the returns would then be additive and not multiplicative (much worse).

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DeChaoOrdo wrote:

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Wheredafksmypeel wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwvPaw8zvRI in this video you dont use tempest shield, i see the hatred and HoA, so whats the 3rd aura you have going? And as of this day do you still use that 3rd aura or do you use tempest?

Back then I ran Hatred + HoA + Haste and I still had Soverignty specced. In the new clips in the first post you see the setup I'm still using, with Hatred, HoA and Tempest Shield.

you do have Hatred, HoA and Tempest Shield, on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft0WAqv6zHQ which is a few months old, but i did notice you have endurance charge on stun, and reckoning as well, but in your current gear section those are not listed as the gems you use. So with that being said I'm guessing you dont use those gems anymore? Or if they are new gems to the build what gems should I replace for the ones you use in the video because i noticed 2~ skill ability icons that I definately dont have with your current gem setup on the first page.

Just saying, but:
Your build seems to be pointless mate. Very low, almost non-existent AoE and the huge lack of survivability, just very high single target dps - this all doesnt define a good build.

Facebreaker Cyclone build is a good starting build for new players. But playing it in that way, over years - is a pure waste of time and effort. There are much better, much more effective cyclone builds. Basically, almost every alternative cyclone build is better than the FB-one.

Cyclone is a AOE attack. Playing it without boosting its only real sense - AOE, is really missed.

There's this tiny thing called herald of ash+ ele prolif which ends up making you clear just as fast as with a 20+radius disfavour build.

This method is only effective with either facebreaker or with crit builds, due to requiring a huge hit damage.

It's another way of scaling cyclone. There are other builds that do this. Cyclonus, dual doryani cyclone, crit staff cyclone, etc.


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Etherfire wrote:

There's this tiny thing called herald of ash+ ele prolif which ends up making you clear just as fast as with a 20+radius disfavour build.

I hope this holds true once The Awakening goes live.

Believe me, you're not the only one. My own build( Dual Doryani spec) is highly reliant on HoA prolif. If it turns out to be unusable I will probably have to find some other skill that is as effective in both clearing and single target( Ice crash looks nice but single target seems rather meh).


And the funniest thing? FB cyclone won't have any sort of AoE problems, what with the new jewels. In fact, I believe it will be second to only a dedicated AoE disfavour build.