Heres some "Feedback"

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

Path of Exile is my first game forum experience in any real depth. I posted some builds for D2 vanilla back in the early 2000s, but typically had little interest in what others had to say other than direct queries regarding said builds. Gamefaqs I use for browsing but the one time I got even vaguely involved on a game board, I found it very hostile and personal.

So if there's one thing I've learned about game fora from CB to now, it's that you really can divide player feedback into two neat categories, and it's extremely easy to spot which is which.

The majority of gamers give subjective feedback, working from their own game play, desires, dislikes, etc. For them, it's all about improving their personal experience. This is fairly typical and not in any way inferior or a failure. When most people are asked to give feedback, they instinctively do so from a personal standpoint.

Unfortunately, as we've all observed, 'personal' can very easily slide into 'passionate', and it's not a long trip that to outright abrasive. Anyone who has worked in customer service will know that feedback is overwhelmingly negative, because a happy customer should be the standard rather than the exception. People often only speak up when they feel something is wrong. So feedback from this first category runs a fairly high chance of being caustic and...well, not very personable. It is synonymous with a complaint, and really should be addressed directly to the devs rather than posted in public *if* the person wants to make their complaint heard by the right people.

Category 1, then, is gamer feedback, with the primary concern being the personal experience.

The other category typically only comes from players who give feedback not because they're dissatisfied with the experience but because they view feedback as a chance to improve the game in and of itself. They might be right or wrong, but the tonal difference between the first category of feedback and this second type is extremely stark. You can see that person is not being precious about certain skills or items, and any defences or offences made regarding game elements are justified, primarily because people in this second category *desperately* do not want to be mistaken for someone from the first. People from this second category likely view themselves less as gamers and more testers; to them, the devs are not the enemy threatening to nerf their build or destroy their pleasure. That's not to say everything is chummy and fine -- this second category can still be very hostile towards the game and the developers, but always in the spirit of believing that the game is worth criticising, worth adjusting, worth possibly even 'saving'.

The downside to this category is that it can be hard to extract from the analysis any real stance or suggestions for remedy. And if personal gameplay feedback can come across as vitriolic or antagonistic, then objective game feedback can just as easily be interpreted as wishy-washy whiteknighting or dev arse-kissing.

...Most veterans to a game will oscillate between the categories, but ultimately can be placed in one or the other.

Finally, and most importantly, the transition between them is typically one way and often very violent: as the game evolves, or fails to evolve, objective posters inevitably buckle under the weight of remaining objective. It's so much easier to care about one's personal gameplay experiences than the overall health of a game. The process is elastic, and everyone has their snapping point.

Conversely, I've never seen anyone go from posting personal, defensive, wary feedback to objective, neutral analysis and observation. I've seen a few try, but it's almost like watching someone who has seen years of combat fighting for their country struggle to adapt to a society where some pampered nerd gets to tell them what to do and expects their respect rather than earns it.

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Fuck desync. This game sucks. Fix your trash netcode.

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

Are you implying that my feedback was somehow not intelligent or constructive!?

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

Are you implying that my feedback was somehow not intelligent or constructive!?

Nope. Can't say I remember seeing you post here at all.

There's a handful of other guys who come on here defending the most ridiculous broken shit though, it makes me want to give up on humanity.