Love playing PoE? Tired of trading or RMT - or do you enjoy either? Vote here!

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

this is the gear I 'beat' nemisis with and started mapping

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I think I traded for the boots maybe, and obviously it was those op boots that carried me, couldnt have done it without those little boots... That char is still alive at level 74 in hardcore, that was a fresh start, fresh economy, playing solo, nothing in my stash, no excessive farming. Shit gear, but gear good enough to beat the game and start mapping. That was my first and probably last proper venture into hardcore, I could have just ground maps until the inevitable death but its exactly the same shit as softcore so the minute I 'finished' the game on merciless and it turned into a grindfest I just logged out and went back to the proper grindfest league.

Better gear than a lot of solo self found players find after farming for weeks.You're a very lucky guy in my books with that gear.The boots are actually really good (a truck load better than what I managed to get) and as a whole the gear nets you some good HP and resists.That gear is practically good enough to call bullshit on if you didn't admit farming maps.

Just for a heads up on how RNG works my friend,here is my gear on a level 71 character that is map enabled and the orbs maps and potential upgrades sitting in his stash.That's completely solo self found/gambled.Getting to maps is irrelevant,beating Dominus is relevant,because Dominus is the end of the story content.

NOTE: The gear at the top is obviously what he is wearing and the lower is stash



I suppose I could have gone the partial *path of less resistance* and used ST like most everyone else,would be a shame to think other skills weren't up to the job though. =)


So you took Dominus out ? with your completely self found soloed gear ? Killing Dominus merciless is beating the game not mapping,which is extended content.I'd like to point out for those not in the know that you can actually start *mapping* in act 2 merciless and that low maps are mostly easier than the act 3 -3x content.

Are you also claiming that as solo self found that it's also viable to sustain maps without trade to at least gain some orbs to roll them ?

If hardcore was exactly the same *shit* as softcore then your transition over to /deaths league was pointless,I'd be guessing that there was more to it than hardcore being exactly the same *shit* as softcore. =P

Again you make out its fast and easy to beat Dominus solo self found,if that's the case please do it for me so I can learn.I'm willing to watch and I'll even sub your channel. =P

As for everything else that was snipped from your post (to keep it shorter).

Read the forums and let it soak in,pretty much every sub forum here gives you the information and feedback of things that need fixing,tweaking,complete *pulling* and/or reworking and even new content that adds a different approach than just *RNG it* for everything.

I'm not going to make a list,ffs it's been four years of mostly the same old same old threads mate.POE is the poster boy for the saying *the more things change,the more they stay the same*. lol

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Arrowneous wrote:

Now, once this poll is closed you need to put up another post in the Feedback forum with the poll results and see if you (we) can get the GGG devs to:

1. take notice of the poll results
2. get a serious and clear response (nothing wishy-washy)

With the very little feedback we get from GGG on this subject and with a clear majority of those participating in the poll in favor of an SFL of some kind, we are not happy with Chris' stock reply of "it's not the kind of arpg that we'd like to play". While I clearly concede that it is GGGs prerogative to make PoE any way they want, the central important message that we need from GGG is to explain why they turn their back on what is clearly a large group of arpg players that love PoE over other arpg's but are not traders and mostly play solo. The other stock reply that you can play SFL style in the current leagues so there is no need for a SFL doesn't cut it either as the zone clearing time is higher playing solo thus the crafting orb acquired per hour is much lower. Also the current crafting orb drop rates are clearly insufficient to be able to do any appreciable self-crafting. I would cut GGG much more slack and overlook other technical problems if there was an SFL. My feelings here are probably reflected by thousands (millions maybe?) who like PoE but want more value with solo playing for time spent here.

I am ready to become a Champion supporter immediately upon getting a league that does not actively penalize me because I choose to go it alone and self-craft my own gear. Does GGG have a Daddy Warbucks financial backer so that they don't need to be concerned with generating more revenue? Do they get enough daily microtransactions from the current player base to keep them in good financial health?

I wouldn't cut them an inch of slack.These *technical problems* are in part why the game falls over not just for solo self found,but everyone and without addressing them the rest is near pointless.

GGG should give us the option to turn on/off particle effects or indeed all graphics options if need be.

While I loathe talking about desync,it's gone from just a deal with it kind of problem and move along in closed beta to a WTF is this *shite* problem in release (for me at least).I'm done dealing with it and playing around the games technical shortcomings with /oos hotkeys and playing the game of patience waiting for mobs to finish their *desync dance of death* before moving on to actually play an ARPG.FFS,I'll take old latency issues over desync any day of the week.

I've played POE on a $5k (AUS) gaming rig and now on a $2k alienware laptop with very little difference.May be partially my end,but without the options to adjust graphics settings in game,I don't much care if it is,and am not going to jump through hoops to find out.

If the devs want me to *socialize* by trading,then they better start supplying the in game tools for it,else we're just playing the D2 trade bubble game all over again except on forced and larger scale.


=P

Dear god why are people still clamoring for a SFL like it'll fix the game.

The entire D3 game is a "SFL" game and it still didn't fix the inherent problems within the game or stopped people from saying that it's shitty.

If you want a "SFL" with no changes to the game other then being "SFL" then your going to be unhappy with the base game anyway,

If you want "SFL" with changes, I have no idea why you think a company should re-balance the entire game for specific style of play. Even then they might still not please everyone and there are billions of ways to do SFL.

SFL is like one of the most vague suggestions in the game right now and is the equivalent of asking for world peace or saying that governments should end world hunger.

Ask path to release a bought single player version of the game were you can mod it to your heart contents, fixes everything for everyone.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Dear god why are people still clamoring for a SFL like it'll fix the game.

The entire D3 game is a "SFL" game and it still didn't fix the inherent problems within the game or stopped people from saying that it's shitty.

If you want a "SFL" with no changes to the game other then being "SFL" then your going to be unhappy with the base game anyway,

If you want "SFL" with changes, I have no idea why you think a company should re-balance the entire game for specific style of play. Even then they might still not please everyone and there are billions of ways to do SFL.

SFL is like one of the most vague suggestions in the game right now and is the equivalent of asking for world peace or saying that governments should end world hunger.

You were doing quite well until you compared lobbying for a SFL to seeking world peace.

1. No-one is saying the entire PoE game should become self-found. We are not suggesting a move like D3 for all players. In fact - for me - I would want to continue to play in both a trading league and a SFL. I would garner different enjoyment from both leagues, I do NOT believe for many players they would be a mutually exclusive experience.

2. Just because people (like me) are advocating to TEST a SFL, does NOT mean that we are happy with every other aspect of the game. PoE isn't a perfect game, but it is the best game I've played for years and years. So?

3. If GGG were to test implementing a SFL, I would trust GGG to hash out the details of that, including game balance and any other changes. So I'm not here advocating any particular implementation of a SFL, just to test it in whatever form GGG would see fit.

4. Why do I think GGG should test a SFL and use their limited resources to consider it? Because my hypothesis is that it will garner new and renewed interest in PoE, thereby leading to a sustainably larger player base. It also happens that the vast majority of people that have voted in the poll are in favour of at least testing a SFL, and the vast minority of people are against testing a SFL. It's not a perfect poll, but does anyone else have better evidence regarding general player support for/against testing it? Didn't think so.

P.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

this is the gear I 'beat' nemisis with and started mapping

I call bullshit. I leveled a spectral throw ranger too and didn't get many of the gems you have. Completed all quests of course. Gems I didn't get were blood magic, reduced mana, added fire damage, melee physical damage and weapon elemental damage. I don't believe you got "lucky" and they all dropped for you.

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

I leveled a spectral throw ranger too and didn't get many of the gems you have.

Almost all gems are mulable.
It requires Merci A3 sometimes, though.

"Too short of time leads to item maxing and then quiting because he has the top gear and a level 100 build. But he is failing to see that the SFL is not a league to replace any existing one, it is to be a new league specifically for the PoE lovers that don't have 1000s of hours of free time to make a high level build." by arrowneous


A SFL would split the player base apart and therefore do no good for PoE as a whole. Who prevents the now so humble SFL proponents to then demand a SF hc league and SFL hc/sc 4 months as well?

They will. And the consistency of PoE system would require to exactly do this: SFL permanent, SFL hc permanent, SFL 4 month, SFL hc 4 months. No way this will benefit PoE as a whole at all. [Removed by Support]


A SFL would not let players reach max gear anyway as you argue. Why would GGG implement a SFL in a way so that all content gets easy and every player finds kaoms/shavs after 2-3 weeks or months? A SFL will result in the same pointless grinding (if you can't enjoy it) as the trade leagues are right now. You will find or craft some items at some point that you wont be able to improve anymore for a long time and therefore lose motivation the same way you do it now. Only stupid people cannot understand this matter of fact.

Your whole point of argumentation is wrong. Especially trading is good for players who do not have the time to grind 1000s of hours in a SFL to find every item they want themselves (and even then probably still don't find a few items which they wanted, look @D3 forums). It is exactly the other way round. Trading shortens stuff and equals out RNG luck/bad luck and let skilled players trade the stuff they found for the stuff they actually wanted to find. The argument of consumed time stands against a SFL. A SFL would only be for people who see PoE as their second job and have 1000s of hours to grind low lvl maps for months without any chance to help/improve their bad luck with RNG and without the chance to utilize their luck with selling a good item they found but have no use for.


80-90% of SFL proponents are enviers who believe that a SFL would give them BIS gear by default after some time. They will carry on whining once a SFL would be settled after 2-3 months when they haven't found what they wanted yet and their friends have. There is no point for a SFL in PoE yet that is valid. People who deny trading don't understand the core of the game.

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LSN wrote:

A SFL would only be for people who see PoE as their second job and have 1000s of hours to grind low lvl maps for months without any chance to help/improve their bad luck with RNG and without the chance to utilize their luck with selling a good item they found but have no use for.

Poor suckers. To hell with them!

No. The simple point is that SFL proponents live in an idealized world with their opinion based on wrong facts and even trying to utilize facts that stand against a SFL exactly the other way round.

Nothing they know I am afraid to say.