[2.2] Arly's Lightning Arrow - Elemental Pathfinder

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IANVS wrote:
I'm thinking of doing full lightning conversion LA, to make full use of WED and new leech nodes, plus an eDPS bow is cheap, I'm really poor.

1. I'm guessing Phys To Lightning gem is the way to go with this? Is it worth it?

2. I was thinking of using Burning Arrow as my single target, since it got a big damage buff, plus it will ignite. Now, it's not fully utilized since it's a 50% phys conversion (unless I use Blackgleam quiver, which I would rather not)...so is it viable single target in an full ele build, especially over TS?

3. Is Topaz/Ruby flask enough to deal with ele reflect? Is Vaal Pact needed for high end maps?

4. I was thinking of using CWDT + Ball Lightning + GMP + Blind setup combined with Maloney's Nightfall quiver for that sweet damage boost vs. blinded enemies (plus life and chaos res.). I know blind won't be triggered that much since I won't get hit often, but why not...

5. I also plan on going IR because I kinda dislike Acro, I won't have currency for items with significant mitigation and I like gear freedom it allows.

Thoughts?


1.You can simulate an elebow on a phys bow by using physical to lightning + LA which will make all of the bow's damage elemental.

2.You can certainly do that. The single target can be any bow skill you like.

3. Voltaxic is reflect immunity. I would not use a rare bow for level 90+ end maps.

4.It's a fun idea but you're probably better off getting a damage quiver with life. I have not tried it so maybe it might be good? Experiment! no harm except death ;)

5. Go for it. The build is all about flexibility.


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huntsmon wrote:
hey,
wondering here. why get alpha howl and not rats nest?

You would need to use 2 enlighten gems without alpha's howl in order to run anger wrath and herald of ice. You can use rats nest in the mana based version though.

Update
Sitting at 20000 LA dps at level 85. For reference, my level 100 marauder had 28000 pre patch. This build has never been stronger.
IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
9536.2 in Town
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Ceveth wrote:
9536.2 in Town


So besides the 6th gem, starting duelist is not ideal because duelist starts with 10ias instead of 4 ias + 26 projectile from ranger. Also, jewel give A LOT of dps. This single jewel gives me 900 more unbuffed dps and only cost 1 chaos.
. Ideally you want life+ damage but you can prioritize life on gear or on actual nodes.



10800 in town - wrath HoI ice golem




Finally it seems my current bow actually does significantly more dps than windripper once i mastercraft attack speed on it but will however not crit as often meaning less burn/shock/freeze. W/o attack speed the dps is exactly the same.




One additional finding was that the dps loss from GMP is marginal:
LMP(19):11497
GMP(18):10123

So if your life/mana can handle it id defiantly use GMP.

Current dps 7 frenzy charges, 3 power charges, ice golem:
Without mastercraft IAS : 18,965 [la gmp chain wed crit dam addedlight]


With master craft 9 ias : 20741 [la gmp chain wed crit dam addedlight]



So it seems thunderfist which i picked up for 3 fusings will actually do more true damage than 6 link chest or tabula rasa making the cost of this build to start even lower:
DPS with thunderfist - 18690 but with 100% increase shock duration


Current progress: Level 85 - 22,710 LA gmp chain, 3960 life 220 life regen

30,000 dps with vaal haste and atziri's promise


DPS with thunderfist instead of tabula rasa: 18961 - seems lower but the shock duration more than makes up for it making it equal or better than tabula rasa. 25,000 dps with atziri's promise and vaal haste.

IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Dec 19, 2015, 9:22:08 PM
After talking with Arly in-game he helped me out with some gear & tree changes, went from 9536.2 to...

12,902.3 in Town


Was mainly refunding the Scion life & crit nodes (Hired Killer & True Strike) for more jewels, Sniper, Nullification & moving up to the Life & Energy Shield wheel above Shadow!

Also helped me pick out some nice 1c gems that gave me a lot more DPS than the crit & crit multi nodes I had prior, even with a large amount of crit already.

Along with that I replaced my horrible Sapphire Ring for a 10c Diamond Ring with T1 WED!
Last edited by Ceveth#5720 on Dec 19, 2015, 7:15:55 PM


testing and including for help
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Heak12 wrote:


testing and including for help

Post your tree as well.

1) Get a 5 link evasion chest chest. It should only cost 1 chaos.
3) get a 240-300 dps elebow ideally with crit chance/multi/high APS in that order of importance, should only cost you 3-6 chaos.
2) LA+WED+LMP+chain+Added light right now you have LA linked with curse on hit if you need help in sustaining mana get an eleron ring with resists
3) Run wrath and HoI with the links I described in the original post
4) level up to 67 and buy a thunderfist for 1 chaos for shock duration
IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
Hey Nephalim,

I was the dude doing the build on HC Talisman, I'm level 63-ish at the time of this post, I'm wondering whether or not you'd recommend taking Arrow Dancing on a hardcore league?
IGN: BallDSelfMadeBadBuild
Sorry if this is a very dumb question, but how do you work in blood magic with this build as you've mentioned being the primary build? A BM gem as a 6th link for LA? How then is tornado shot, frenzy, and blink arrow used?

Last edited by Mannering90#2961 on Dec 20, 2015, 8:43:33 AM
Upgrades!


Would like some help with my tree though, I'm not sure where I should be going from here.
Spoiler
https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwQBAF4FLQguDY0Pqxa_GYoZjhqPG8ghdiPTI_YkiyT9JpUqCy5TMHwx-jY9N9Q51D7PQzFHfkp9TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr13yXzlh4mKsZU1noGyMbWxuaW8nb_JwUnTtdct293rvfXV_K4TFhNmGzod2idOK8IwLjDaNfY1-jb-PYJcGmmqbLZu1naqgn6OKpcuwq7l8u-O9Nr3mvqfBM8MzwzrEgsSizZjP3dNv037UI9X42sHjn-dU6UbqYuyw7T_tg-4O73rxivba-wn8xf66_94=
Last edited by Ceveth#5720 on Dec 20, 2015, 12:52:55 PM
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slicedbacon wrote:
Hey Nephalim,

I was the dude doing the build on HC Talisman, I'm level 63-ish at the time of this post, I'm wondering whether or not you'd recommend taking Arrow Dancing on a hardcore league?


Arrow dancing is certainly mandatory for this build once you have some evasion and crucial until you get voltaxic. I'm still using tabula rasa so obviously it would do me no good. Please refer to the tree in the first post of the thread under 2.1 passive tree.



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Sorry if this is a very dumb question, but how do you work in blood magic with this build as you've mentioned being the primary build? A BM gem as a 6th link for LA? How then is tornado shot, frenzy, and blink arrow used?



There are a few variations ultimately based on your choice of chest piece and helm whether or not you use the BM gem. Some players may not want to invest in a koam's heart or even alpha's howl and some would prefer the defensive capabilitbles of coil over koam so there are a huge number of skill gem setups and 2 archetypes (BM,non BM). Prior to 2.1 you really had no chocie other than to use BM because there was no elemental attach leech and mana gained per level was 4 instead of 6. All of that has changed for the better now. I do believe a mana based build will be better for some playstyles and gear budgets at this point. Giving up Anger aura for the ability to use the 6th gem as you like. There is no blink arrow in some variants due to obviously koma's heart limiting space.

For now I'd say just use the mana option. If anyone on talisman wants to let me borrow a level 17-20 anger, I could test it in full.

gem setup

With alpha's howl and with koam's heart:
Bow - LA + GMP + chain + FA + WED + BM [RRRGGG or RRGGGG]
Helm - BM - ice golem - assasin's mark | wrath [GRB-B]
Boots - Tornado shot - GMP - WED - blood magic [RRGG]
Gloves - Curse on hit - Assassin's mark - herald of ice - anger [GBBR]

Without alpha's howl and with koam's heart:
Bow - LA + GMP + chain + FA + WED + BM [RRRGGG or RRGGGG]
Helm - herald of ice - anger - wrath- Enlighten [GRBB]
Boots - Tornado shot - GMP - WED - blood magic [RRGG]
Gloves - BM - Assassin's mark - Ice golem - blink arrow or vaal haste - [RBGX]

With alpha's howl and with 6 link chest:
Bow - LA + GMP + chain + FA + WED + BM [RRRGGG or RRGGGG]
Armor - Tornado shot - GMP - WED - blood magic - Faster attacks or Lgoh or pcoc [RRRGGG]
Helm - BM - ice golem - assasin's mark | wrath [GRB-B]
Boots - CWDT - Vaal haste - enfeeble/temp chains - increased duration [RRGG] or [RRBG]
Gloves - Curse on hit - Assassin's mark - herald of ice - anger [GBBR]

Without alpha's howl and with 6 link chest:
Bow - LA + GMP + chain + FA + WED + BM [RRRGGG or RRGGGG]
Armor - Tornado shot - GMP - WED - blood magic - Faster attacks or Lgoh or pcoc [RRRGGG]
Helm - Anger - wrath - Enlighten - choice [RGBX]
Boots - herald of ice + curse on hit + enlighten + assassin's mark [GBB]
Gloves - BM - ice golem - assassin's mark - vaal haste or blink arrow [GRBX]



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Would like some help with my tree though, I'm not sure where I should be going from here.


Take sniper and nullification.
4 nodes for:
30% dmg
20% projectile speed
5% life
20% evasion
8% all res
15% ES

or phase acrobatics for a more of a survival-bility focused path.

New optimized skill tree for mana based builds

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwIBAF4B0QMeBS0FtQguDPINjQ3RES8WvxmOGo0byB9BIXYj0yP2JP0mlSoLKwouUzBxMHwx-jY9N9Q51DpCPs9DMUd-Sn1LeEz_TZJOKlFHVUtaGlsmW69d8mHiYqxjQ2VNZ6BsjG5pbydwUnTtdct293rvfXV_K3_7hNmGzod2idOK8Iw2jX2Nfo2_j2CaapuNnaqgn6OKpcuv67CrtMW3trvjvTa95r6nwTPC7MMzxILEos_d02_TftQj1fjWitrB3ajjhOOf51TpRupi7T_tg-4O73rxivzF_rr_3g==?accountName=Nephalim&characterName=Arlianth

Jewel equivalences


Gale prism: 13337.9 dps


Entropy cut: 13347.6 dps


Hynotic bane: 13086.

It is very hard beat attack speed as an affix but damage and multi will help you one shot packs and shock where as IAS has diminishing returns and is great at buffing damage numbers but not as great for for the fore mentioned. IAS will also burn your mana or life faster.

bow attack speed + projectile damage provides the best bang for you for buck but even if the dps number is lower on the multi/light dam jewel, it still may be more beneficial. Since LA is a lightning skill you can benefit from lightning damage, crit/crit dam for lightning skills and attack speed with lightning skill jewel affixes.

Even the same affix but different roll will have a large impact. 6ias/10 projectile vs 8ias/12 projectile for example has a 220 dps difference.





Level 88 - plateau map video and total gear cost break down:



Level88 - plateau map(10) - 3:20 minute clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krhdyap6V9o
gear and tree

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwIAAF4B0QMeBS0FtQguDPINjQ3RES8WvxmOGo0byB9BIXYj0yP2JJ0k_SaVKgsrCi5TMHEwfDH6Nj031DnUOkI-z0MxR35KfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1oaWyZbr13yYeJiWmKsY0NlTWegbIxvJ2_ycFJ07XXLdvd67311fyt_-4TZhs6HdonTjDaNfY1-jb-PYJAKmmqbjZ2qoJ-jiqXLr-uwq7TFt7a9Nr3mvqfBM8LswzPEos_d02_TftQj2sHdqN-Y44Tjn-dU6mLtP-2D7g7vevGK_MX-uv_e?accountName=Nephalim&characterName=Arlianth

DPS with charges: 24,219 3900 life 220 life regen


Gear cost breakdown [As of date 12/20/2015] :
Armor: 1 exalt on day 1
Bow: 9 chaos a few days ago
Gloves: 1 chaos
Talisman: self found
Quiver: 2 chaos day 1
Boots: 3 chaos day 1
belt: self found
Coral ring: 1 chaos today
Diamond ring: 12 chaos
Jewels: 20 chaos total
Flask: 2 chaos

Total cost: 50 chaos + 1 exalt

Keep in mind tabula rasa as of today is only 25 chaos orbs and you can make do with a much cheaper ring.



IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Dec 21, 2015, 1:27:58 AM

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