Fyndel's CI SPLIT ARROW CRIT VAAL PACT GUIDE [1.1.0] 80k SA(with chain),420k Frenzy [Endgame build]

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Thotor wrote:

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Frankenberry wrote:

lol except many crit builds, dont even use vaal pact in the first place -.-

Seriously this community is so filled with qq and whining.

Typical softcore comment. Crit build without VP pretty much means death by reflect.

I don't know if you use lightning arrow, but 20/20 bloodrage, 2% leech on gear and 6% on amulet gives you 7% physical damage leeched, with the new VP nerf. Just don't shoot like a madman on reflect packs and you will be fine.

And if it is not viable anymore, there are plenty of other new build possibilities for this season. Remember this is just the first patch of several. It's not like bow-users are screwed for a whole season.

My guess is this build is still pretty effective, but will have lower damage output and less instant leech, but still enough to do a good job.

You forgot the changes on life leech. Multihit will no longer generate extra life leech (with maybe the exception of RoA) , only the strongest hit.
But the real problem is that crit damage is too high and that without VP, the leech effects is applied after your damage - which means if your crit is too high, you will get one shot with or without leech.

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Thotor wrote:

You forgot the changes on life leech. Multihit will no longer generate extra life leech (with maybe the exception of RoA) , only the strongest hit.
But the real problem is that crit damage is too high and that without VP, the leech effects is applied after your damage - which means if your crit is too high, you will get one shot with or without leech.

Okay maybe I misunderstood something, but the leech change will only effect non-vp builds right? For instance you shoot a split arrow volley with chain into a reflect pack my guess is this will happen:

Without VP:
only highest damage source is leeched, but really if you have enough leech to reach 20% of your maximum hp (or energy shield) it won't make a difference as long as you keep firing. However if you stop firing, your other shots won't stack and thus you will quickly stop leeching life if you stop attacking.

With VP:
There is no delay, so you should just leech from all sources. Like this:

1) shoot
2) hit / reflect
3) leech (instant)
4) hit / reflect
5) leech (instant)
6) hit / reflect
7) leech (instant)

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see why the change would make you leech from less targets (overall less leech from each single target yes, but not the amount of targets) IF you have VP.

I could be wrong of course.

I don't know if we are speaking of same stuff :)

What you says is correct.
However I was not speaking about VP - for the life leech part in my previous post.

Let me sum it all up so it might make more sense :

Without VP, Life Leech was nerfed so that only your strongest hit give life back. So if you are hitting a pack of mobs on a reflect map, you will loose more life than gained.
On top of that, without VP, you run the risk of being one shot on reflect map due to life leech not being instant and critical damage being too high with shock stacks and all elemental effects)
VP was the counter to that problem as each hit regen life straight away (you would still die if your single target dps is too high). But now VP is 60% less effective so it no longer counters reflect. It can still be effective - maybe - by lowering the dps and adding even more life leech (not sure how that can be done). But that just make it less effective compared to other non-crit build.

I've tested this build out with 6% life leech (60% of current 16% life leech is 6.4%), and the build still works like a charm.

There shouldn't be any other changes to this build other than the Vaal pact change. As a matter of fact, dps should increase a bit because they are removing some minor crit nodes in the crit clusters, freeing up a point or two.

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jtrand wrote:

I've tested this build out with 6% life leech (60% of current 16% life leech is 6.4%), and the build still works like a charm.

There shouldn't be any other changes to this build other than the Vaal pact change. As a matter of fact, dps should increase a bit because they are removing some minor crit nodes in the crit clusters, freeing up a point or two.

its 40% not 60%

yeah it was a typo, i meant 40%

imo, the only thing that has changed for this build is that now this build has a higher gear requirement. With a 20% blood rage, you need 6% leech from gear.

You guys are missing the worst part of this change - They nerfed crit, overall. Basically, we`ll leech less (60%), from the hardest hit only (no more stacked SA leech) BUT we won`t be hitting as hard as we did (crit nerf). I`m not sure if this will be enough to make the build useless (and I reaaaally hope it doesn`t because I just finished gearing up for it) but here are the patch notes that affect crit:

- Maligaro's Virtuosity: Critical Multiplier has been reduced from 40-50 to 28-36.
- Mods that provide critical multiplier have been reduced.
- Larger groups of critical strike multiplier have had some minor nodes removed.

Another problem are packs of reflect mobs - You`ll be leeching from one alone, but getting reflect by then all. It sounds to me that VP will be just slightly better than normal leeching under this circunstance. Is that correct?

The maligaros crit nerf isn't a big deal. And crit mods have been reduced referring to mods on items/gear, Not on the passive tree.but since I already have all my end game gear, it doesn't affect me. The minor crit nodes being removed helps this build because we can get to those big crit nodes faster

Also, I'm not totally sure but it seems that the stacked leech changes only apply to people who don't have Vaal pact

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Defile8080 wrote:

Well I guess Reaper of Souls is coming out soon. That'll tide me over till they fix it.

LOL