1.0.2 CHARLOWTFBBQ'S Nemesis, Wings Of Entropy, BoR, Cycloner, 68% Block/Spell Block!

So my level 68 shadow running BoR, WoE, Rainbowstrides, The Anvil and Voidbringers is able to sustain level 7 artic armor pretty easily. My mana regen is not where it needs to be as of yet, but I have no mana regen on any of my gear at the moment.

The only reason I am using voidbringers is because I had them and they have very good ES for gloves. I think in order to sustain high level artic armor you will need rainbowstrides and pure ES gloves with at least 200es. In order to sustain at least level 17 artic armor you must have a mana regen rate of around 200/s. I have a passive tree that gives enough mana and enough mana regen to run level 17 artic armor as long as you have 60% mana regen on gear. Easiest way to get this is actually just wear a perandus signet ring. That will give you increase mana and increased regen. If the new leagues had shavronne's revelation then that would be the ring to get as it would make it crazy easy to get the mana regen and you could even sacrifice some ES on the gloves.

This passive tree is what I have come up with as far being able to balance everything. The innate resists in this passive tree is a base of 48% resist for everything and 12% chaos resist. You can actually run Discipline, Grace/Hatred, Clarity and Purity and still have around 300 mana left over (that is with at least 3000 mana which is on the low side of this build actually). I based everything off using a level 17 reduced mana so you don't have to have max gems to make this work. Oh, the block chance of this build is 70% block with 35% spell block.



now I have to work on farming to afford on this gear and give it a go on nemesis :)
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Bigjangalang wrote:
Build looks very solid I watched your stream for a bit and will def be trying out when I get my hands on an Entropy :p


link to his stream?

the only thing i dont like is low life % and armor from tree

looks rly cool other than that
Taking Unwavering Stance cancels out the Blind built into the BoR .. as you can't be stunned while in the middle of a Cyclone attack I'd recommend respeccing out of that.

Hi

I really don't like the passive build, lots of accuracy nodes when taking Resolute Technique, blind + unwavering. Also I think missing out going towards scion start wheel of life via beserking and sentinel are too good to miss. Wings are a great weapon though I'm currently 81 on nemesis with this build:



I don't understand why neither the OP or runnin's builds are using lava lash, the combination of high fire damage on Wings + added fire gem mean you are doing almost as much fire damage as physical, considering how close it is a 1 point investment for 30% more fire damage is too good to miss out. I'm aiming to grab splitting Strikes and the other 30% evasion node. Also hopefully soon Spec out the 30 dex and int nodes getting it from gear. I think more DW block nodes might be nice but I don't fancy having to grab 2 more strength nodes to get to it. Bringer of rain will put me at 44% which I feel is adequate. After some testing running 2 aura's Mana flows leaves me with more Mana than The "reduced Mana Reservation" node near Iron Grip. The int is useful for gem requirements too. Ideally I'd have both but I think that wouldn't be until level 90 if I get that high.

This would be my "Finished" level 84 build assuming I no longer needed 30 int/dex nodes for gems.



I'm running dual strike + multi-strike + splash + Added fire + Melee physical damage

and ST + Multi-strike + added fire damage + Life on hit (might try faster projectiles for hitting stuff off screen

Originally I was going to run melee only but after seeing neon get one shot by a volatile golem I think its necessary to have some ranged ability, makes orchard/dungeon bosses less scary.

Sitting on around 12k dps and 5k hp 77 all resist, 39% block 10% spell block. Bringer of rain will probably help a lot with defense and offence although currently I'm having no issues. I've only done 66 maps and one or two 67 simply because my friends started the game and I'm saving my stockpile of maps to group with him. I do need to divine my Wings though, would like 115% physical damage roll at least. But I think Bringer of rain is a higher priority.
Last edited by Gilanguar#6644 on Dec 4, 2013, 6:46:39 AM
Stream + guide update coming over the week end. also will be answering questions about the build. right now im pretty busy so ill just say that the build is alot of fun so far, 74% block/spellblock is insane, wings on entropy is way underated and underpriced in nemesis i think.

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Honestly, if you are only at 39% block and 10% spell block that is crazy low. I understand that will increase once you have BoR, but your build is mainly offensive oriented.

The build I posted doesn't take resolute technique and also doesn't take lava lash because the fire damage on the weapon is not the main focus of the build. It does not add that much damage in the end unless you plan on focusing on fire damage overall. Also, taking lava lash would not work for the skill tree I outlined, there is no need to go over to that part of the tree. If I wanted to sacrifice some block chance or offense, then I could go get the 2% leech and 24% life, but I tried to focus on balancing the build.

Part of what people forget when looking at tank builds is that MoM is a very good defense. It takes 30% of the damage away before it touches your HP. My passive tree with a mid-roll bringer of rain and around 200hp from other gear will give about 3900hp. Add on the 30% damage mitigation of MoM and that is right around 5k hp total. Couple that with having a minimum of 7.4k armour (BoR plus grace aura, granite gives about 14k armour), 70% block chance, 35% spell block and running at least level 17 artic armor THAT is a crazy strong tank build with decent damage output. You should be able to have around 10k AoE damage and likely at least 15k dps with single target skill if you build like that. You can actually just use an AoE skill and use CoDT to make the build even more tanky.

Pretty sure even a Merc Vaal smash and dominus god smash wouldn't even give you much trouble at all if I am doing my math correctly.

Granted offense in this game is the best defense, but in hardcore leagues you want everything in balance. One thing that people forget is that artic armor does affect reflect damage, so that is very nice if you run into a reflect mob or are doing a double reflect map.
Last edited by runnin17#3309 on Dec 4, 2013, 8:58:27 PM
Going block with BoR + WoE is a no brainer. I like the criticism but keep it constructive, I see some people basically saying : I dont like your build but im using the same uniques and doing something different. I made this thread mainly to discusse a nemesis block/spellblock build idea using the WoE/BoR cause i think it achieves really freagt tankiness and decent clear speed cause of how broken block is. wanted to show off.

sometimes you need to take some accuracy to reach insane nodes like wrecking ball or weapon artistry. even with resolute teqnique, these nodes are simply the best available and are owrth taking a random accuracy node for. as far as unwavering stance, im currently speeced out of it, blind works great but sometimes stun immunity can be nice, its only 1 orb or regret to change so w/e. added fire lvl 20 is 39% of phys dmg as fire with lava lash (39x1.3=50) so its actually half your dmg added in fire and lava lash account for 10% of that, and i dont plan on going added fire anyway. my 6link singlke target would be DS+melee phys+faster attacks+multistrike+BM+LL. going mana is definetly an option if you dont wanna go cyclone, make sure you dont only depend on regen otherwise youll have a bad time.

Last edited by stevebrule#4847 on Dec 4, 2013, 5:24:15 PM
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Steve makes a good point about the mana regen issue on 1/2 regen and no regen maps. The good thing about bringer is that if you are using it for your main aoe attack then you can just pop in mana leech if you have a green slot in your bringer, or just have a mana leech ring ready for when you do no regen maps. Personally, on no regen maps if you are relying on mana regen I think you just take off the perandus signet you should be using for the mana regen and switch it out for a mana leech/life leech ring, only takes up on inventory slot and you are ready for any map mod except CI :)
Last edited by runnin17#3309 on Dec 4, 2013, 9:16:57 PM
When new patch came out and I acquired wings I thought of this kind of build too. Im a 86 scion in nemesis running wings bor and rainbowstrides lazwhar for a week now and I can say it's really solid. Since im scion I didnt notice this thread untill now.
There are a few pointers though id like to comment on. My build differs a bit from yours although not much but i focus on defense/life. My build takes almost no dmg nodes and I am at 5K HP 9K armor with grace 70% block and nearly 18K DPS on dualstrike. This is plenty for me as I focus on defense survival. Cyclone is no option for me cause of desync and bloodmagic. I hate that skill wholeheartedly.
Furthermore id like to comment on the items and what that means for gear selecting.
When you take all the resistance nodes available in your build with rainbowstrides it will put you at exactly 0 Res and -60 chaos. Since were using all these uniques we only have 2 rings a belt and gloves to get 77 res and chaos res. On top of that you'll need 2% mana leech 2% life leech and 44 INT because rainbowstrides requires 94 INT and we only have 50 (20 base+30 from max lazwhar). See it becomes really hard to maintain res cap and still get all the required stats (life leech/mana leech/hp/phys dmg). Ofcourse you can get blooddrinker passive or +30INT nodes but then what will you sacrifice for it life/armor/dmg? (in my instance dmg before i got required int and leech from gear). Anyway this build with high block/spell block is really good soon more people will find out and prices will go up for wings xD right now i think its a steal (about 2-3 ex) on nemesis. I have -34 chaos resist and i can walk into room full of gmp alchemist with granite and slice them up thanks to spellblock. Also running 74+maps no problem so far. Half regen / no regen I replace added fire with blood magic drop abit dps but works. On my 650 manapool (370 after grace) I can sustain dualstrike with 2% mana leech (66 mana per cast 5.38 cast per second) without issue. I also have a 5linked wings and have not found a use for it. Someone suggested dominating blow I will test things out later.
Last edited by DangK1#7844 on Dec 5, 2013, 2:16:24 AM

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