[1.2.0] Lightning arrow bow ranger (3 Auras/ life based/ max dps/ good survivability)

Would this build works if i use it on hardcore mode ? me and my friend are new to this game ( lv 47 was my highest lv) but we just wanted some challenge but that of course would mean trying to find a build that works in Hardcore mode.

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hassattack wrote:

Hi Dan,

Thinking of trying this build it looks cool!
Could you post progression builds (like where you should be at with 30 passive nodes, 50, etc). I'm very new to ranger so I'm not sure where to progress to first looking at your passive tree.

Thanks for the thread!

Here are the trees for leveling. It really depends if you are playing Nemesis or Domination though but you could progress the following ways:

http://tinyurl.com/pf9ufmg (first 56 points)

http://tinyurl.com/pm9y344 (80 points)

http://tinyurl.com/qen45vt (91 points, respec out of mana into life completely)

http://tinyurl.com/ohtftzw (111 points)

then use the final build on the page 1.

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Bowaski wrote:

Would this build works if i use it on hardcore mode ? me and my friend are new to this game ( lv 47 was my highest lv) but we just wanted some challenge but that of course would mean trying to find a build that works in Hardcore mode.

Yeah definitely. It gets a lot of life which is the only thing that hardcore maybe requires a little bit more than softcore - safety.

So do you continue to use blood magic? In the 91 points it shows that you get it but in your final version you don't have it

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hassattack wrote:

So do you continue to use blood magic? In the 91 points it shows that you get it but in your final version you don't have it

Nope I don't continue to use it. It is a keystone to make leveling easier because it solves mana issues. Especially in combination with vaal pact it is very strong. The thing is that you need really good gear to sustain a 6-linked ability only with mana leech. LA should be at least 10k pure as I mentioned. But if it works you can also use Auras, and eg Hatred adds a ton of dps based on phys dmg.

In short I'd only suggest to use blood magic until you got gear good enough to switch into mana leech.

edit: forums messed up somehow. Didn't want to quote myself but edit the 1st page instead :/

As a ranger that uses mana I can say that this build won't work well. No amount of mana leech % can offset the fact that you have very little mana and no mana regen nodes. LA uses a lot of mana.

What is going to happen is out of mana (oom) after you fire LA 2-3 times, then wait full second after you can fire 1 more time. Even if you leech 10000000000000000000000000000 mana per shot, you are limited to regen rate of your mana pool which will be around 750 in best case scenario and you can regen 12.5% of your max mana per second.

Also, Irong Grip is kinda waste of a node with 204 str. Also I don't think lvl 100 is realty for the most people.

You also lack accuracy. I have ~500 flat accuracy just on bow and ammy and 40% more accuracy in skill tree (compared to your tree) and I am at 90% accuracy on lvl79, I imagine it would be under 80% at lvl 100, granted, we don't fight lvl 100 mobs but I still miss lvl 70 mobs occasionally.

Berserking is also kind of a waste due to limitations coming from mana. You generally want to fire 2-3 times and kill everything. Doesn't really matter if you fire at 10aps rate or 5aps rate. Just a thought.

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Ludak021 wrote:

As a ranger that uses mana I can say that this build won't work well. No amount of mana leech % can offset the fact that you have very little mana and no mana regen nodes. LA uses a lot of mana.

What is going to happen is out of mana (oom) after you fire LA 2-3 times, then wait full second after you can fire 1 more time. Even if you leech 10000000000000000000000000000 mana per shot, you are limited to regen rate of your mana pool which will be around 750 in best case scenario and you can regen 12.5% of your max mana per second.

Also, Irong Grip is kinda waste of a node with 204 str. Also I don't think lvl 100 is realty for the most people.

You also lack accuracy. I have ~500 flat accuracy just on bow and ammy and 40% more accuracy in skill tree (compared to your tree) and I am at 90% accuracy on lvl79, I imagine it would be under 80% at lvl 100, granted, we don't fight lvl 100 mobs but I still miss lvl 70 mobs occasionally.

Berserking is also kind of a waste due to limitations coming from mana. You generally want to fire 2-3 times and kill everything. Doesn't really matter if you fire at 10aps rate or 5aps rate. Just a thought.

A lot of critique :)
1) Wrong. Mana leech works on physical dmg. There are many builds which utilize it successfully. Ok LA is only 50% physical, granted. But that doesn't mean you cannot leech enough mana. Even if your arbitrary numbers were true, 12.5% * 750 = 93.75 mana per projectile shot, which doesn't sound that bad.
2) Beyond wrong. Iron grip adds 2% proj damage per 10 str. If you got 10 x 10 Str this means 20% increased projectile dmg. Not worth it? I don't think so. That's better than any projectile node on the whole tree.
3) Accuracy is the least important stat on the tree. You cannot have it all, can you. Survivability > dps > accuracy. I know accuracy adds dps indirectly but most of the nodes are just so bad, I don't think they are comparable to direct damage nodes. It might be worth testing though if it really has such a considerable effect as you make it sound. Some simple adjustments to the tree could make up for it.
4) Endgame build by intention. Please read carefully. There is an alternative how to finish the build way before lvl 100 as well. Also many people in Standard are > 90, and these people care for a finalized build and not for some lvl 80 shit.
5) I assume you refer to Frenzy with 'Berserking'. This is the best single target skill in the game. You can shoot very fast to nipe bosses. Also mana is not a problem here because frenzy is PURELY physical based, so you will leech double the amount compared to LA.

You missunderstood Ludak021 massively.

Like Life leech, so is mana Leech capped at a maximum of 12.5% of your current mana pool. Independent or your Damage.
(This is the reason why you take vaal pact to bypass this limit regarding health.)

The question here is: Can you sutain a 6l Lightning Arrow with your build?
I can't answer this question, but Ludak says no. Can you prove him wrong by numbers?
Id like to try your build but ... i'm new and i dont know everything.

2) Right.
3) More numbers please no i think so bs
Are there calcs out there? cause i found none
4) Right

5) He is talking about the Node "Berserking" which you included in your build. 15% Attack speed. Near the hp wheel.


I'd say if you can spam 6l LA, so you can utilise this build in party maps, then its more than solid. Maybe shift some Points to accuracy nodes depending on numbers.
Can't help you with that ;)

Nah I got what he was saying. If your mana pool is 750 max as he suggested and you can only regen 12.5%, that makes effectively 93.75 mana per hit.
Also you can easily test it for each individual case. All you need is 1 regret orb - deactivate blood magic - swap gear to mana leech items and shoot at some mobs - respec into blood magic if necessary. If mana leech doesn't work, blood magic always works.
My bad, Berserking is one of the best nodes in the game. Didn't remember it was called that :)
Obviously it only makes sense to have more attack speed if you can spam your ability. But if you cannot do that the build has some core issues anyway.

I appreciate your comments. If anyone has some high-end gear out there to test, or experience on mana leech and LA, let me know. Until then enjoy



:)

I was thinking of trying this with RT, getting rid of the crit nodes and speccing into other nodes and using blood magic (just so I dont have to worry about mana)

LA would then be:
5L Lightning arrow / blood magic / lmp / life leech / weapon ele (chain 6l)

The damage may not be as good, but I want to test it out

Any feedback on the build?