Oro's Ceaseless Discharger (Spectral Throw + Cast on Crit Discharge)

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Ael00 wrote:

I am curious about the single target dps aswell. This build is insane on group mobs and equally insane weak on bosses. What am I doing wrong.


Also is the 4l still necessary after the molten shield nerf ? it doesnt seem to be doing a lot of dmg

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S0_L337_1T_HURTS wrote:

Currently lvl 59 with this build (started from lvl 1).

My observations:

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- Fun begins after equipping Volls armor (lvl ~32).
- lvl'ing after Volls is fast and easy, fastest and easiest leveling I've ever done.
- Clear speed is FAST. Extremely fast.
- Discharge NUKEs mobs. Seriously. You NUKE them. It's instantaneous.
- Easy non stressful playstyle. Simply shogun ST in mobs general direction until they're vaporized in a flash of discharge. So much fun and it NEVER gets old.
- When partied, members are usually left in the dust. You are the fastest clearer, always.
- A party member will always ask, "OMG dude WHAT are you using??!?" The nuking plus faster-than-light clear speed makes an impression on all party members. It's impossible not to notice. You're the center of attention.
- Some won't like to party with you due to high clear speed, they hardly get to kill anything, so don't be surprised to see people drop out of party frequently because of this. They become jaded, jealous, and drop out. Ha!
- Single target DPS is truly pitiful. This can't be overstated. 'Effing pitiful.
- Did I mention ultra fast clear speeds?
- Elemental reflect is a very serious issue (death is instantaneous).
- Build is precariously squishy. Run up to mob, shotgun spec throw, hope/pray it triggers ASAP, if it delays at all or doesn't proc then 95% chance you're going to die. YOu can't face-tank the mob so don't try, but you're required to get close enough that you sort of can't avoid that at times, just just know one-two hits and you're dead.
- Frozen/stunned/shocked = dead.
- Low health/low regen (non existent regen)
- Ranged mobs are scary (because you're so squishy and they're out of range).
- Unique/Rare bosses are major problem (basically can't kill them).
- Mana problems are real. Slow recharge/no recharge

My one big tip:

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Until crit chance lvl is high enough to trigger discharge reliably, use diamond flasks:
(1) Face rush mob; (2) hit diamond flask, (3) hit spectral throw; (4) watch discharge nuke 99% of mob (5) move on to next mob, rinse/repeat. Diamond flask almost guarantees a crit hit thus triggering discharge.

- UNIQUE/RARE MONSTERS:

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Ultra fast clear speeds are great but also, relatively-speaking, useless when you can't deal with unique and rare monsters. And so far, at lvl 59, this build can't. I haven't found a solution to this yet, so I just move on from rare/unique monsters--can't do this forever.

Killing them is so slow or impractical. Currently, I'm trying to use elemental weakness to help with this but it's not doing a whole lot. How is everyone else dealing with this issue?

- Elemental reflect breaks end game....

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Everytime I hit elemental reflect i'm /insta-dead before I even know what happened. This build is all about fast clear speeds and killing mobs before they have a chance to attack because otherwise you're dead. So, slowing down to mouse over an enemy (that's moving & attacking you) and try and read his spec is just not viable. Sorry, it's not. So, what to do here? I know the build calls for using EK, but to use that you first need know when to use it... and that's the real issue--you don't know until it's too late.

Ideally, I'd like to make it so I never have to switch to an EK set-up. Is this possible? Really need help with this.

- VOLLS 6-Link issue, colors:

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- Unable to get Volls 5 or 6-linked nor can I get the right socket colors, getting three green is REALLY tough. This is my problem, not the builds, hopefully I can get lucky here. I'm lvl 59 and up to now using only a 4-link ST-GMP-COCS-DISCHARGE works but I may be hitting a wall soon. Time will tell.

PS: Regarding the 4-link CWDT-IMMORTAL CALL-INCREASED DURATION-MOLTEN SHELL set-up:

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can increased duration be lvled to max or must it stay at/below CWDT? My guess is it has to be like all the other gems: at or below lvl requirement of CWDT (31).... however, I just want to be absolutely clear on this since it would be hugely beneficial to level.

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S0_L337_1T_HURTS wrote:

Looked over your tree, please better explain why you find your build superior to this build.

Most people complain of survivablity with this build (and reflect in particular), not the damage per-se. Your build appears equal-to or less-than in terms of survivability of the original posters scion build. It's inspired by flicker builds, the critical damage of your build is higher by taking more critical multiplier nodes, but how much does it matter with discharge? Trash mobs melt regardless so the only real benefit must be for single target bosses. Do they melt faster, enough to warrant the use of the nodes over something else?

I can basically respec into 99% of your build using my Scion, with few minor differences. Would love to see boss videos and high level maps.

And can you better explain how reflect is better dealt with in your build, I don't quite fully understand. You say to max lightning resists. Is this the only secret? If so, it's not working. My resists are maxed.

Two other concerns: your build loses a power charge and has less area damage (which you yourself mentioned). Area damage is more convenience than necessity, but boy, it's convenient... especially since ranged mobs are a problem. Power charge though, how big of a deal is that? I don't know, but I imagine big.

POST SCRIPT AND OPEN QUESTION FOR COMMUNITY:

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Is there any benefit or advantage to using dual daggers over single dagger with shield?