New class: The Vigilante

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HeavenlySent wrote:

first of all, i like your thoughts and imagination.

don't be rude to this guy, he really took his time and tried to come up with some good idea for a future class that belongs to wraeclast - and in my opinion he didn't fail at all, at it.

i also like that you've asked in general, if somebody would draw your description of your desired looking class. i can't draw at all, same as you - else i'd give it a try, and i'm sure if somebody who read this, really is able to draw well - he will do so! (maybe even someone from GGG would do it :P)

you brought some good idea from your point of view - i even think GGG could look into that and take some stuff out of that for a future project of them.

keep your motivation, you did well and you will do well later on.

Wow you are so kind! thanks a lot :D

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Nurvus wrote:

I'm going to be very honest.
Your concept of Murderer is just a reskin of Shadow.

Different story, different looks, same concept.

GGG already said they're considering adding gender options and even different skins for the characters.

But that's probably not going to be anytime soon.

I haven't played the shadow so much but I think they are pretty different.

The shadow feels malicious, sadistic, uncaring (psychopath), killing people for money

While the murderer (name subject to change) wants justice/revenge, which is not really malicious, he does not have fun killing others, nor enjoys it but he does so out of rage and anger. He does care a lot, after all, that's why he kills in the first place, he's supposed to come off as a "fallen angel" he was a good guy, he stands for good but he lost is mind to hatred and became a monster because of it.

Sidenote: lost is mind/insane ~ chaos element, see the connection

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Coal48 wrote:

Ok not really but being that there is no "fanfiction" board, this is the only place I believe appropriate to post this.

I came up with my own exile and wrote all the dialogue he would say if he was in the game (yes I have too much time in my hands), hell I would even voice act him if I had the equipment.

Here is all of his dialogue:

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Intro:
As I have been denied love, humility, respect and acceptance from others
As they have rejected me, mocked me, beaten me, shattered me
I have taken it upon myself to make them pay
To make all the ones that abuse, prey, intimidate and oppress pay

I spilled their blood out of revenge, out of justice

they have exiled me to wreaclast but it's only a question of time before they will face my wrath

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On the Twilight Strand: No one will stop me
On the Coast: Good people, a rarity in this world
On the Tidal Island: The hostility of this land is but the same as oriath, just on a more direct level
On the Lower Prison: No one should ever be caged (D2 reference)
On the River Crossings: There is no land that I belong to
On the Fellshrine Ruins: God is but just the despair and ignorance of men
On Solaris: Man is always trying to alter reality and not often for good
On the Library: The world is so distant from us, we are unconscious of ourselves
On Lunaris: This place...it disgusts me

Having killed Fairgraves: I knew not to trust you fairgraves
Having killed Brutus: In the end, I am as much evil as the creatures I slay
Having killed Merveil: the law of nature is to prey on the weak, I will break that law
Having killed Fidelitas: For all the lives I have ended, I will take my own but not before I am finished
Having killed Kraityn: I will hunt each and every single one of you, one by one.
Having killed Alira: I have need for no one
Having killed Oak: you either walk a straight line or you don't walk at all
Having killed Gravicious: your death will pave the way to a better world
Having killed Piety: For all those people that you used as tools, for all the suffering you have done, death is too sweet for you
Having killed Dominus: God? God would have been the next to die for having created this horrible world

Full inventory: I shouldn't carry so much
Using skills in town: I mustn't
Out of mana: no mana
Not enough Strength: not strong enough
Not enough Dexterity: not fast enough
Not enough Intelligence: not wise enough
Occasionally, after killing a rare: DIIIEEE!
On the Medicine Chest: If I can help someone help others, I will
Upon receiving Siosa's reward: I am not worthy of any sympathy or kindness
To Piety, in the upper prison: whatever you are up to piety, I have a feeling it's not for the greater good
To Piety, at the Prisoner's Gate: You are testing my patience too far
To Piety, in the Chamber of Sins: I will and it will be for you
To Piety, in the crematorium: Coward, stop running away from me
When picking up a bust: Man should not wish to be remembered for who they are but only for what they stand for

Achieving Level 2: I will not allow myself to die
Achieving Level 10: I cannot allow them to win
Achieving Level 20: No truth shall be hidden from me
Achieving Level 30: they believed they were harming me but in reality, they were creating a monster
Achieving Level 50: the whole world will feel my vengeance
Achieving Level 100: I will shape reality anew, to the image of nothingness

A brief explanation about his passive tree location and nodes:

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He would actually start outside the tree. Nodes to his left would only be accessible to him while the right would link towards the bottom portion of the strength area.

His class specific passives on his left would be be focused on chaos, maybe a keystone that converts all melee physical damage to chaos damage, lots of chaos resist and increased chaos damage. Overpowered maybe but it fits to character's attributes

A brief explanation of what he would look like:

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If I was any good at drawing I would just do so but I suck. I would be so thankful if any of you could draw him for me, that would be really awesome.

White male, medium size, very "cut", Long black hair reaching the torso with some covering his face, thin beard.

Wearing just a long black trench coat and black pants, so bare feet and torso naked. When equipping armor, the parts that have pants and sleeves would not replace his pants and coat, only the torso will have armor, for the exception of shoulder plates. Any footwear and gloves equipped will go under his pants and coat.

For example, wearing a "gladiator plate" it would pretty much remain the same except the "skirt?" would not be visible.

For example, wearing a "saintly chainmail" sleeves and pants would not be visible, only the torso would remain with the character's coat and pants.

If you read all that, wow I'm impressed, thanks a lot!

If I had money, I would ask GGG to implement him in the game, one can only dream

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Coal48 wrote:

I just wanted to hear some feedback on the dialog I wrote and see what exiles you guys would add to the game.

You have some good concepts here, but I think the character needs more consistency. You might try walking around in this character's life for a bit and then imagine how others around him view him.

Your character's intro:

As I have been denied love, humility, respect and acceptance from others
As they have rejected me, mocked me, beaten me, shattered me
I have taken it upon myself to make them pay
To make all the ones that abuse, prey, intimidate and oppress pay

I spilled their blood out of revenge, out of justice

Is good for motivation, but the following lines don't jibe:


On the Coast: Good people, a rarity in this world

The Murderer doesn't know what is good, he has experienced only a world of what is wrong, so perhaps his comment should be along the lines of not being judged falsely by them.

Achieving Level 20: No truth shall be hidden from me

The murderer has a warped sense of reality from his horrible past experiences, he lives in a world of distortion and his "truth" is that whatever he decides to do to someone they "deserve" it. Maybe the line should be something about the character getting more powerful, like "None shall escape me"



On the Fellshrine Ruins: God is but just the despair and ignorance of men
Having killed Dominus: God? God would have been the next to die for having created this horrible world

The above two lines aren't inherently conflicting, but there would need to be some particular rationalization from the character's past - such as the Templars specifically being the worst offenders against the murderer.

Lastly, I think the character needs a want - something the murderer seeks and finds enjoyment or even solace in. If the character finds enjoyment in the suffering of others, than they wouldn't get much farther than the coast as they would spend more times slowly torturing their victims rather than killing them outright. If the character is paranoid and "hears footsteps" all the time, then perhaps he seeks to silence all those around him so he can feel safe and unthreatened.

From the little bit of information given, it looks more as if justice achieved through revenge is the primary motivation of this character. If that is the case, then he wouldn't really be a Murderer so much as a Vigilante.

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DalaiLama wrote:

You have some good concepts here, but I think the character needs more consistency. You might try walking around in this character's life for a bit and then imagine how others around him view him.

On the Coast: Good people, a rarity in this world

The Murderer doesn't know what is good, he has experienced only a world of what is wrong, so perhaps his comment should be along the lines of not being judged falsely by them.

Achieving Level 20: No truth shall be hidden from me

The murderer has a warped sense of reality from his horrible past experiences, he lives in a world of distortion and his "truth" is that whatever he decides to do to someone they "deserve" it. Maybe the line should be something about the character getting more powerful, like "None shall escape me"



On the Fellshrine Ruins: God is but just the despair and ignorance of men
Having killed Dominus: God? God would have been the next to die for having created this horrible world

The above two lines aren't inherently conflicting, but there would need to be some particular rationalization from the character's past - such as the Templars specifically being the worst offenders against the murderer.

Lastly, I think the character needs a want - something the murderer seeks and finds enjoyment or even solace in. If the character finds enjoyment in the suffering of others, than they wouldn't get much farther than the coast as they would spend more times slowly torturing their victims rather than killing them outright. If the character is paranoid and "hears footsteps" all the time, then perhaps he seeks to silence all those around him so he can feel safe and unthreatened.

From the little bit of information given, it looks more as if justice achieved through revenge is the primary motivation of this character. If that is the case, then he wouldn't really be a Murderer so much as a Vigilante.

Vigilante would probably be more suited than murderer, I'm actually going to change his name to it.

regarding On the Coast: He would still know what good is, for example seeing Nessa help the wounded, would "touch" him.

regarding Achieving Level 20: you are right, I'll change it. I just want to add that he would seek enlightenment, knowledge and wisdom, that's why he said that line but his sense of reality is indeed distorted and consumed by revenge

regarding his comments against god: It's true that they are missing an explanation and I'm not sure how to expose it because it relates to his pasts. To put it simply, after having made realizations about how dark and cruel the world is, he would have lost faith in god growing up. At some point I wanted to add the line: "God, why have you forsaken me?!" but I realized it contradicted his belief in it not existing.

Lastly, his motivation would be to "punish all evil doers" and return to Oriath to finish what he started. I called him "murderer" because he would end up killing countless people, despite rationalizing his actions with justice, in the end, he really does it out of wrath. I Even thought about calling him "tyrant" as he is kinda like a dictator.

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Nurvus wrote:

I disagree with starting outside the Tree.

If anything, it'd be cool if GGG actually made the Tree a SPHERE.

That way you'd have the Top = witch; the 120º leftside = Marauder; and the 120º right side = Ranger.
The front would be Scion and the back could be Murderer.

I wouldn't call it Murderer, though.

tree could definitely be made into a torus with the current classes