WytchfinderGeneral: CI ele cleave guide ,250k tooltip dps(outdated)

well but you never get 10k es without a shield and only this few % nodes

lets say: (i count values of realistic items not this stuff who a average player never will get)
items:

helmet: ~250ES
Chest: ~600ES
rings: ~60ES
Belt: ~50ES
Gloves:~120ES
Boots: ~120ES
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TOTAL: ~1200ES

~~~320 int with Eye of Chayula ~ 64% ES

~~~ nodes in your build 172% ES +20% more ES

1200*(1.72+0,64)*1,2 = 3398 ES




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you can with gear i used to wear, i said this build is gear dependent when it comes to ES gear, it is most certainly not for the average player, you need a 1k chest, 450 es helm,350boots or wakes if the rest is high enough, 300 es gloves etc. you need high ES gear to go CI, very high es gear, otherwise you wont survive, you need at least 7-8k ES , ive talked to inva about the new CI and mob damage and concluded that would be the minimum to get now for a melee shadow.

someone around here calculated that with absolute max ES gear, as in the best possible mods, you would be at around 12.8k ES, its highly likely you wont get the best possible mods on every piece, so with just generally very good ES gear you should be able to reach 10k and possibly be able to sacrifice ES boots for wakes.
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Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on Mar 21, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
this post is really no offence i respect your work in this guide and i like it! But i belive this build isnt vaible again.

but plz! show me at least one 1k ES chest post ES stat nerv on items

10k is possible for sure! but only if u pick a LOT more ES nodes and a shield. This will hurt terribly your crit dmg and chance

plz calculate for ur self :)

btw i like ur Templar build, I actually modify it for a shadow with maaanny auras and EB (im lvl 62)


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Last edited by trashs1#3679 on Mar 21, 2013, 12:03:54 PM
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trashs1 wrote:
this post is really no offence i respect your work in this guide and i like it!

but plz! show me at least one 1k ES chest post ES stat nerv

10k is possible for sure! but only if u pick a lot more ES nodes and a shield.

plz calculate for ur self :)



invalesco has a 2 950+ chests that he mirrored for example, and i think domi has one too, i dont own a 1k es chest since i havent been playing much lately.


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Niven wrote:
It's awesome that original build returns with Shadow and CI.
I tried to compare new ES to closed beta version.
So if i'm not right correct me please.

With max ilvl rare gear we can get maximum 2464 ES with local %ES affixes (47-ammulet, 43*2-rings, 67-belt, 361-gloves, 482-helm, 1059-chest, 361-boots). I considered here %ES and %ES+Stun prefixes.

With 90 points of your Shadow build (templar part of build) we have 179% max ES, 52% from int and 20% more ES from Infused shield and we won't get more with 120 points.

Also we get 103% ES more from int on gear (50 int on ammulet, 2 rings, helm, gloves, chest, boots gives 10% each and 22% more as ammulet prefix and 28 all stats on rings).

Here's the point where i could make a mistake: total max ES = 2464*(100%+179%+52%+103%)*(100%+20%) = 12839
It seems right cause "increased ES%" and "more maximum ES" should multiply separately.

If we change ammulet to Chayula our maximum ES = 12011 with best roll of +all stats on it
With Chayula and Wake of Destruction ES = 10191.


this is the guy who calculated it with the best possible gear. you can get to 10k es with chayula wakes and absolute max ES gear. so with a normal pair of ES boots instead of wakes you can get past 10k.

This is also calculated without the discpline aura on, which should give a lot of ES too considering the build also takes inner force, besides being increased by all of the ES nodes it also gets a 30% buff from inner force.

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Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on Mar 21, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
well this is in my opinion wrong... 1 time too much 100% and wtf +103%? Oo


no guaranty!!! but the calculation should be in my opinion


(es from gear)*(es from int+es from nodes)*1,2

like in this example

2464*(1,79+0,52)*1,2 = 6830 ES

simple math...sorry


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Last edited by trashs1#3679 on Mar 21, 2013, 3:30:12 PM
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trashs1 wrote:
well this is in my opinion wrong... 1 time too much 100% and wtf +103%? Oo


no guaranty!!! but the calculation should be in my opinion


(es from gear)*(es from int+es from nodes)*1,2

like in this example

2464*(1,79+0,52)*1,2 = 6830 ES

simple math...sorry


i dont whats up with the first 100%, the second one is the int on gear i assume, not my calculations.

if yours is right then its around 7.4-7.5k es with discipline aura on, thats enough with a lfie leech gem.
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mine is for sure correct the int is included in the 0,59 :)

but nice to hear i wasnt right i would love this build!


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Last edited by trashs1#3679 on Mar 21, 2013, 4:18:08 PM
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trashs1 wrote:
mine is for sure correct the int is included in the 0,59 :)

but nice to hear i wasnt right i would love this build!


You do need some pretty gigantic ES gear tho, i would have revived this shadow myself but unfortunately i barely got any time for PoE lately.

You do need pretty high ES gear for it, too bad CI got nerfed so hard, the build used to be more accesible, i started with it fresh when i created it as in empty stash and still managed to do it, but now with how CI and damage in the endgame is its much harder to do.
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trashs1 wrote:
well this is in my opinion wrong... 1 time too much 100% and wtf +103%? Oo
no guaranty!!! but the calculation should be in my opinion
(es from gear)*(es from int+es from nodes)*1,2
like in this example
2464*(1,79+0,52)*1,2 = 6830 ES
simple math...sorry


well i'll explain my calculation:
1. almost all mods "increase" %ES so it should be added
2. (100%+179%+52%+103%)
- 100% is your base ES from gear
- 179% adds your talent tree. it's not 100+79. it's ES increased by 179%
- 52% adds int from talent tree. it's your int when you're naked
- 103% adds int from gear and %ES mode on ammulet

Infused shield adds multiplicative cause it adds 20% "more" ES.
Maybe i garble expressions. i speak english not so good.

i copied part of my calculations here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvDyDombgsjWdGtRa29IRDNFRm1qUW1aaUstWXFqLWc#gid=0 so you can check formulas
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