Thinking Outside the Box: What if we had dust instead of orbs?

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Veta321 wrote:

POE has a great crafting system. But it doesn't make sense to use at low levels. That's too bad because it adds depth to itemization. OP wants low level crafting to be a player choice rather than a noob trap. OP's idea is simple. Reduce the cost of low level crafting such that it is more in line with its opportunity cost.

What is opportunity cost? Opportunity cost is what you lose when you do something. In this case the cost of crafting low level temporary items is crafting permanent end game items. Thus, crafting to save yourself time farming versus hoarding for end game trading/crafting must be a legitimate choice.

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Novalisk wrote:

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Veta321 wrote:

POE has a great crafting system. But it doesn't make sense to use at low levels. That's too bad because it adds depth to itemization. OP wants low level crafting to be a player choice rather than a noob trap. OP's idea is simple. Reduce the cost of low level crafting such that it is more in line with its opportunity cost.

What is opportunity cost? Opportunity cost is what you lose when you do something. In this case the cost of crafting low level temporary items is crafting permanent end game items. Thus, crafting to save yourself time farming versus hoarding for end game trading/crafting must be a legitimate choice.

We already have cents, they're called lower tier orbs. And opportunity cost is already less for lower level gear:

If you want a top-tier bracket on a mid-level item, you only need to roll against about 3 other brackets.

If you want a top-tier bracket on a top-level item, you need to roll against 6 other brackets.

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Veta321 wrote:

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Novalisk wrote:

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Veta321 wrote:

POE has a great crafting system. But it doesn't make sense to use at low levels. That's too bad because it adds depth to itemization. OP wants low level crafting to be a player choice rather than a noob trap. OP's idea is simple. Reduce the cost of low level crafting such that it is more in line with its opportunity cost.

What is opportunity cost? Opportunity cost is what you lose when you do something. In this case the cost of crafting low level temporary items is crafting permanent end game items. Thus, crafting to save yourself time farming versus hoarding for end game trading/crafting must be a legitimate choice.

We already have cents, they're called lower tier orbs. And opportunity cost is already less for lower level gear:

If you want a top-tier bracket on a mid-level item, you only need to roll against about 3 other brackets.

If you want a top-tier bracket on a top-level item, you need to roll against 6 other brackets.

1) Different orbs do different things. Exalting low level items is silly, changing drop rates won't change that. Exalted dust would be used differently than Chaos dust.

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2) The opportunity cost of low level crafting isn't how much currency you use. Even one orb for low level crafting is hard to justify. Rare orbs are even worse. Why is that? The opportunity cost of crafting 1 low level rare is how long it takes to find 1 high level rare or another equivalent currency at a high level. Presumably the benefit of low level crafting is the time saved by crafting gear to progress more quickly. But then the benefit of low level crafting is only ever as long as it takes to outgrow your low level items. Ergo it almost never measures up to the value of non-temporary end game items.

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ozzy9832001 wrote:

The heart of the problem is the crafting system is both complicated and overly convoluted.

They should first reduce the numbers of orbs in place. Alts/Trans could become 1 orb. If it's a white item, it turns it magical, if magic it re-rolls stats. Plain and simple.

Alch/chaos, could be combined, same deal as alts/trans.

No orb should drop less frequently then a chaos does now.

In the end, increasing orb drop rate significantly is the ONLY way to make them viable.

Coming up with yet another system layered on top of an already ridiculous one is just asking for even more trouble.

The problem isn't with what orbs do, it's the drop rates, and no amount of system altering dynamics are going to change that simple fact. They drop more, people will use them.

Mirrors should be extremely rare, but a divine shouldn't.

On top of all this, they are going to remove quantity from the new leagues, making currencies even MORE rare, which is the completely opposite direction they need to be going.