[1.0.3] Vaine's Blood Magic & Critical Frenzy/LA Build

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BeastCC wrote:

Thanks vaiNe_ for the update, was actually going to ask you if you could post your updated build without BM from passives but alraedy done :)

I am still only lvl 37 so I will follow your updated passive skill three, I will only need to refund one +10 str node near Golem's blood.

MY Three so far: http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAAdEEfgUtFfAY2xn-GtsbASFgJP06WECgSn1W-luvYEtnoHTtdPF674TvhxmHdpAKoSKhpKJAp9Sv673mxKLVANwV3Q3h2-dU7g70-Plj_MX-yA==

So with 4 linked, that will be
1) Life on hi-LA-Blood Magic-LMP
2) Life leech-BM-Freenzy- and then Faster attacks or WED?

What should be my main focus on getting at lvl 55+ for "end game".

1) Bow?
2) 2x 4-5 linked?

Or is 4-5 linked more important than getting a good bow?

Regards
Beast

Since one doesn't make much sense without the other, I'd go for both.

No 6link perfect armor will help you much when you do no damage, 'xept groups let you leech off :)
And being a glasscannon depends on your preferences. I love being glass-y, so still looking out for a decent armor :)

I wouldnt exactly call this a glasscannon build though, with 4,2k hp, maxed resists, acrobatics and up to 21k evasion with the jade flask. :p

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vaiNe_ wrote:

Frenzy-Life Leech-Faster Attacks-WED

First I just want to say I don't agree with this, then I'll go in to more detail about weighing some of the other ideas so stay with me.

I have been using this build and am now 73 and was very successful all through the campaign (now stuck at merciless dom) and and low level maps.

I think there are TWO effective ways this could go.

1. Using Blood Magic passive

Pros: Effective with 4 link, higher party DPS than using BM gem
Cons: 0 to 1 auras

Go for as high of PURE physical damage as possible with as little elemental as possible.
Lightning Arrow and Added Fire both only scale with the physical damage portion of your weapon.
You have +90STR in nodes and Iron Grip - at lvl 73 I have 135STR resulting in +27% physical damage, which itself scales in to LA and AF.
In this configuration you will get significantly more DPS by using Frenzy-LL-FA-AF as opposed to Frenzy-LL-FA-WED.

2. Using Blood Magic gem

Pros: Multiple auras when soloing, higher solo DPS
Cons: less effective in a party (your best auras will likely already be equipped by a melee), less STR means less HP but should still be able to equip all gear you need. 4 link armor may be ineffective.

For this build you won't spec in to BM passive which means no sense wasting the 9 skill points on STR. Without the 90 STR, there is less sense getting Iron Grip. Without Iron Grip, you might be more suited finding a weapon with a balance of physical to lightning elemental DPS on a ratio ~2:1 instead of a purely physical bow.
If you are using this setup you will find more benefit from Arcing Blows (I spec'd out of it because the dmg increase was negligible and I am using the first build) and Weapon Elemental Damage gem than the previous.
The main qualm I have about switching to this build is losing too much DPS by dropping a DPS gem and I'm currently using 4 links. If I can obtain two very good 5 links I will almost certainly attempt to switch to this, however, as I will be able to maintain my current DPS (lost no sockets) as well as add Haste + Hatred which should be an enormous boost.
In this setup I think the best configuration would be Frenzy-LL-FA-WED-BM (no 4link).

my current build

WED gives me 2500 more dps on frenzy than added fire damage with my current build, but true, with the pure phys damage added with Iron Grip, added fire dmg gem would probably be better overall, especially if you're not running any auras.

As for Hatred vs Wrath; Unless you're using a slow, VERY high phys damage bow, wrath will always be better because of the way flat damage scales with attack speed.

FYI; Lightning Arrow doesnt exactly scale with the physical damage of your weapon, it only converts it. If your bow deals 100 phys dps and 100 ele dps, or 200 phys dps; LA would do the same amount of damage either way. LA does however scale better with projectile damage nodes than pure phys or pure ele nodes.

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vaiNe_ wrote:

FYI; Lightning Arrow doesnt exactly scale with the physical damage of your weapon, it only converts it. If your bow deals 100 phys dps and 100 ele dps, or 200 phys dps; LA would do the same amount of damage either way.

That's technically true, although you would do higher DPS with pure physical if you are using Arcing Blows in this case, assuming your weapon ele damage is anything but lightning. And as stated higher phys means a better performing Added Fire gem, but good observation I incorrectly read convert as added. This makes purely physical bow a little less important in my eyes now that it was before you pointed that out.

update, dear vaine



Experimenting with the 4L Frenzy - LL - PCoC - WED (tho i question this last slot highly) I can easily up to 37.5% Critchance (non-charged one is at 29,something). Popping Cricital Weakness and my Diamond Flask, Solo Nonmap Dominus was a matter of minutes only :D

AS you can see, no Auras and chest sux hard atm, the bow has not enough love in socks and links yet either, but I will eventually get to that later on, I am still specced with BM keystone and need to regain those points asap this weekend. Then will run two auras and maybe use another Frenzysetup.

In maps guys ask me: wtf ur dps so high? :D makes me happy with such a nonfinished build.

Is it easy to do maps with randoms? Trying to understand if I will play a lot solo or in group, I rather play in groups, think it's more fun and social than playing solo.

And I only have two IRL friend that plays PoE.

So would you guys recommend BM passive skill build or gem BM skill build?
In other words, use the new build vAine_ uses or the old build.

Appriciate all the feedback and support your giving guys, highly appriciate it!

Regards
Christian

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BeastCC wrote:

Is it easy to do maps with randoms? Trying to understand if I will play a lot solo or in group, I rather play in groups, think it's more fun and social than playing solo.

And I only have two IRL friend that plays PoE.

So would you guys recommend BM passive skill build or gem BM skill build?
In other words, use the new build vAine_ uses or the old build.

Appriciate all the feedback and support your giving guys, highly appriciate it!

Regards
Christian

Hey

Basically, if you can setup a "map" group, you can coordinate all auras and also be more succesful when you play a riskier build, since others may be your "meatshields" :)
Mapping solo is.. well, I don't do it at all.

ATM my passives are still the "old" ones vaine used to post in OP, but I have to transition since atm I don't run auras, and you can feel that in a crit build very well. Running two auras on Mana and using BM gem will boost my DPS insanely (even more with better gear).

Thanks for your reply.

I understand and will go with the new one and use BM gems instead so that I have the possibility to use auras as well.

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Chronodroid wrote:

update, dear vaine

Spoiler

Experimenting with the 4L Frenzy - LL - PCoC - WED (tho i question this last slot highly) I can easily up to 37.5% Critchance (non-charged one is at 29,something). Popping Cricital Weakness and my Diamond Flask, Solo Nonmap Dominus was a matter of minutes only :D

AS you can see, no Auras and chest sux hard atm, the bow has not enough love in socks and links yet either, but I will eventually get to that later on, I am still specced with BM keystone and need to regain those points asap this weekend. Then will run two auras and maybe use another Frenzysetup.

In maps guys ask me: wtf ur dps so high? :D makes me happy with such a nonfinished build.

PCoC gives more dps than FA?