Data - Map sustain experiment
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So, with all this map-discussion getting started i figured it would be nice for an experiment:
I start with a lvl63 map and try to sustain myself only with maps i find running those. I'll use as little orbs as possible to improve my maps (f.e. i will limit my use of chaos/scouring orbs). I'll also list everything that helps me running future maps. Also the map climbing issue might be shown here. I'm not sure how helpful this data will be or if it helps the discussion, i myself hope it does. Results since 0.9.12d: Try n1: -- ° lvl63 sewer, 78%, 24% magic monsters --> 2 lvl60 dried Lake ° lvl60 dried Lake, 51%, --> 1 alch, 1 chaos ° lvl60 dried Lake, 42%, --> 1 chisel -- Try n2: -- ° lvl63 spider forest, 45%, 21% rare monsters --> lvl63 suprerior(13) catacomb ° lvl63 suprerior(17) catacomb, 75% --> lvl63 superior(8) spider forest, lvl61 tropical island, 1 chaos ° lvl63 superior(8) spider forest, 32%, 50% monster pack size, 24% rare monsters --> 1 chaos ° lvl61 tropical island, 56%, 35% size --> lvl61 cemetery, 1 chisel, 1 alch ° lvl61 cemetery, 56%, 22% sizw, 29% rare monsters --> lvl61 crematorium ° lvl61 crematorium, 62% --> X -- Try n3: -- ° lvl63 spider forest, 75%, 26% size --> lvl65 subterran stream, 1 regal, 1 alch ° lvl65 superior(5) subterran stream, 37%, maze, 24% monster pack size, 28% rare monsters, 2 unique bosses --> lvl61 crematorium, 1 alch ° lvl61 crematorium, 37%, 27% monster pack size, 20% rare monsters --> lvl60 dried lake, lvl61 cemetry ° lvl60 dried lake, 59% --> X ° lvl61 cemetry, 54% --> X -- Try n4 (success): -- ° lvl63 overgrown shrine, 63%, 19% magic monsters --> lvl60 dunes, lvl61 mounatin ledge, lvl63 superior(13) spider forest ° lvl63 superior(13) spider forest, 79% --> lvl61 magic thicket, 1 chaos ° lvl61 mounatin ledge, 80% --> lvl61 rare cemetery, 1 scouring, 1 alch ° lvl60 dunes, 44%, 36% size --> lvl61 underground river, 2 scouring, 1 chaos, 1 regal ° lvl61 underground river, 42%, maze --> lvl61 crematorium, 1 chisel ° lvl61 thicket, 51%, 21% rare monsters --> lvl60 dried lake ° lvl61 cemetry, 54%, 30% size --> lvl60 dungeon, 1 alch ° lvl61 crematorium, 76%, 2 unique bosses --> 1 chaos ° lvl60 dried lake, 42%, 21% magic monsters --> X ° lvl60 dungeon, 63%, 20% magic monsters --> lvl60 dried lake, lvl60 dry peninsuly, lvl61 underground river, lvl61 rare crematorium ° lvl61 crematorium, 57%, maze --> 2 chisel ° lvl61 underground river, 75% --> X ° lvl60 dried lake, 42%, 26% rare monsters --> lvl60 dry peninsuly, lvl60 dungeon, 1 chaos ° lvl60 dry peninsuly, 41%, 35% size --> lvl60 overgrown ruin, lvl62 reef ° lvl62 reef, 58%, 30% pack size --> lvl64 graveyard, lvl63 sore, lvl61 magic crematorium ° lvl60 overgrown ruin, 75%, 33% monster pacsize --> lvl61 underground river, lvl60 crypt ° lvl60 dry peninsuly, 74% --> lvl60 superior(5) crypt, 1 scouring ° lvl60 dungeon, 68%, 24% rare monsters --> lvl62 magic sewer, lvl61 mountain ledge ° lvl64 superior(20) graveyard, 89% --> lvl65 subterranean stream, lvl62 superior(5) reef ° lvl61 crematorium, 27% --> lvl61 superior(5) magic cemetery map, 1 alch, 1 chaos ° lvl60 crypt, 39%, 2 unique bosses --> lvl61 cemetery map, 1 scouring, 2 chisels ° lvl63 shore ° lvl62 sewer ° lvl61 mountain ledge ° lvl61 underground river ° lvl60 superior(5) crypt ° lvl61 cemetery map ° lvl61 superior(5) cemetery map ° lvl65 subterranean stream, ° lvl62 superior(5) reef -- I'm aware that one player is a small sample size and that he is effected by rng, but that's the reality of the game. We are all single players and all effected by rng. EDIT: Conclusion: It is possible if RNG is in your favor and you burn A LOT of scourings, chaos and alch orbs as well as chisels (the only thing i did not run out of are alch orbs). You have to work with a lot of lvl60/61 maps though. --EDIT1: i make a lot of typos-- --EDIT2: english is not my native language-- Last edited by ThePlanckEpoch#4387 on Sep 17, 2012, 3:40:34 PM
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The results of today' test was a not bad, but not brilliant either. (Not to mention that I've burned about 70 chaos, some chisels and alchs).
All I have left is 1x69 map and a lot of 63maps farmed before 9.12. Ok, here are results : 65lv (50q) - no map 65lv (50q + 35%large) - 66 66lv (72q) - 1gcp 64lv (47q) - 2x61, 62 64lv (82q) - 65 65lv (72q) - 65(5q) + 67! 65lv (80q) - 66, 65, 62 66lv (69q) - no map 65lv (68q) - no map 67lv (94q) - 69! 64lv (36q + 50 large) - 2x61, 62, 63 64lv (66q +2xboss) - no map 63lv (63q) - 65 65lv (62q) - 60 64lv (66q + 42%pack) - 1gcp 64lv (53q +15%magic + 30%rare) - no map 63lv (83q) - 60, 63 63lv (66q +2xboss) - 61, chisel 63lv (77q) - 60, 61(14q) 61lv (83q) - 60, 61, chisel 63lv (80q) - 60, 61 As You can see, there was some "sustain", but in the end I would propably run 62/61 lv maps or maybe even run out of them too. :< IGN: ProjectPaffix You wouldn't even think how exciting might be exile, unless You choose the "wrong turn". Last edited by paffix#1339 on Sep 15, 2012, 8:38:34 PM
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How much currency did you spend on these maps?
FFA loot = Single Player Game
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lvl 64 rare 48%iiq coves map -> nothing
lvl 61 rare 36%iiq tropical island -> lvl 60 dunes map |
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but the point is kind of you'd have to improve those maps
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To what, +90% just to break even?
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In my opinion, the goal of maps was never to be sustained by maps. You will have to farm lower content to build up enough to go on a decent string. I am not sure what people don't understand about this... It is like omg why can't I just farm maps in maps? Well when you hit end game you should expect a grind. There is no way around it. I am fine with the current system.
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" Why should they understand your opinion? Has GGG stated their intention on this? Should it be sustainable or not? Fight censorship
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My recent experience:In 9.12f I ran 22 low level maps (61-63) and got 27 maps (60-64) out of them. Average IIQ on the maps I ran was 45.8%. Level 62 maps never drop me a map.
It seems like the break even point is somewhere around the 45% IIQ to me. I have spent one alchemy orb or around 5 alts (+ one transumation orb) on a map before I ran it. Never used a chisel. Of course this is not really big enough sample, but as I saw the topic I wanted to share my personal experience with the new drop rates. ✠ ✠
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" try 45%q with 65+lv maps and post results here. good luck IGN: ProjectPaffix
You wouldn't even think how exciting might be exile, unless You choose the "wrong turn". |
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