[2.0]Rathik's NEWBIE FRIENDLY FUN&CHEAP FARMER, DPS Summoner. High AOE DMG, SURVIVAL."The Matriarch"

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FriendlyTroll wrote:

First, thx for a great guide it helped a lot! I got a few questions about my Scion summoner (I just can't stand witch model/animations :P) based on this build.

My go to build atm:

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgABCGeTOr0nGDz56ILH0_uofVqRaqwo-uq6N4Om6yymN2Y0CrQMRnGDCW-eykrDOlYtrH-btRmK-wn22hqP6-64k6cI2QsqmPqAna4abKasiECQM49G0NCboUjn99esmBSwOjA5Urw3Tm1YB5Mnv5fJPfIeHNx_xsHFLL-GrhXX14ZWY6KjwfNtGTvhu9YRUOL3pyvmgcBUc1Nr230YHRT60hcvZOdV1oCk5CLsGMNtZp5xTZrPQ2O3MVj1ncQpT-w4OthN2Ix2zLwQl0QETbmQ1uyKEZZwu9kTL2990g==

So I droped some defence for more mana reserved reduction with intention of running 4 auras (discipline, purity, clarity + w/e my party needs atm). With lvl20 reduced mana that is ~45,4% reduction, which leaves me with ~27,2% of mana left for mid lvl clarity and casting. Do you think this can work, how much mana do I need to support this and is it worth it to drop resists/es for this are my main concerns.

Also any tips for build optimization are more then welcome :)

You do not need to run clarity. The build is made to be run with flasks in mind and Divination Distillate.

You already have 140% mana regen from skills alone. Way more than enough.

High mana regen will make it harder to get the full duration from Divination Distillate.

I only use clarity on mana intensive fights which pretty much is only Dominus.

Only flaw I see on the build is that you took a 10 intellect node on the start of witch area but I am guessing thats a miss click.

Other than that, the build is spot on.

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GodEye_Galatea wrote:

Hi, I've been following this guide for quite a long time and I'm having a lot of fun.

Recently, I got a Divination Distillate but then I was wondering how to use it effectively. What I do for now is spam curses and then click it. I don't know if I'm doing the right thing. Please help. :)

You doing it just fine :). Thats is the only way to drop your mana so you can get the full duration of the flask. You can also use raise zombie, that way you are keeping zombies at full health.

This is why, high mana regen makes it harder to use the flask.

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Rathik2 wrote:

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Atum84 wrote:

Heya, the Onslaught-Post @first page is outdated; do you have a hint for Nemesis league?

Its the exact same build. You might have to drop some IIR/IIQ gear for more defensive stats, but thats just about it.

Also in a 6L you ll have to replace quantity gem with some thing else. Life leech is pretty popular.

hey, same build like the onslaught one or like yours@op?

because the link to the onslaught-build doesn't work right

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Girltoy69 wrote:

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So, basically, you posted a slightly altered (or maybe just not fully specced) version of MattC's Spectral Gods summoner build, which is Spectre based, in Rathik's Matriarch summoner build, which is Zombie based? That would seem to defeat the purpose of the person posting if they wanted help with this specific build...
Your survivability is important with this build (as with most, if not all, others I would hope), but not your zombies. They are easily replaceable and you want them to go out with as much bang as they can when it is their time (hence the damage nodes, which are calculated into the MI explosion now).

First of all this is my first summoner so I am not very familiar with the playstyle and the "you do not do damage" thing...but I adapt and I enjoy it.

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Girltoy69 wrote:

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I've rolled multiple summoners since closed beta and I've done this same "mistake" as you; Minion Damage nodes are a complete waste. The majority of your damage comes from Raise Spectre, but with the right auras and links, they'll be beasty tanks. Below I've put in a link of a spec with similar amount of points, however much better survival.

The reasoning for Minion Damage nodes being useless is that, you want to max survivability, i.e sustainability. It doesn't matter if your minions will deal slightly more damage if they die to a couple of boss hits. The second reason is that Minion Damage doesn't increase Burning Miscreation's damage.

I have thought of this myself, to take out the damage nodes of the zombies and now you 've confirmed my thought. Secondly I don't really use spectres, I don't like the fact that I have to go to specific areas to get them and that I lose them every time I dc. Maybe at this point the only thing I can do to boost my damage is to use them. Although the reason I followed this build is because it doesn't rely on spectres. Maybe "relying on spectres" means having 4 spectres that deal damage and maybe just 2 of them, like the BM you mentioned, are always necessary.

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Girltoy69 wrote:

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMBVysHY3NTa9t9GBB0CPR5AzGIDlxFfm0ZwfOio3_GJ6labSQ8p1xJUYIeTC0XUAD9FLCsmPfXzLwQl0QETbmbodDQz2VVxo9GpwjZCyqY-oCdrhpsGYUkqjbp42oc3JMnv5fJPfIetAxGcYMJb57KShmGkvOsR5LN6ywqTT8nSshuqrXyNZKsWYjxFSAs6d0NW69OKiml-tIXL2TnVdaApA==

The point of the spec is grabbing a reasonable amount of Minion nodes whilst maxing yours, as well as theirs survival. The next part is grabbing some mana reservation nodes to increase the amount of auras (at high end you'll sustain 4+ auras, and yes even after they made most 60%)

Your gear seems to be fine-ish, however I'd focus on getting a 4-5 link chest asap (this will be your Raise Spectre item), and getting a +1-2 level Minion gem in head piece (Zombie item). My Spectre of choce is the Burning Miscreations (the guys with burning hands) in Lunaris Temple. They exist in every level, including right around the Lunaris lvl 2 waypoint.

Your build kinda reminds of another famous summoner build that is around, the spectral-god or something. I 'd prefer though adjustments on the current build and not follow a completely different build :P.My armour right now is about 244, evasion 604!! Maybe the way to go is to respec to your tree although I ll need too many respec points and to actually be effective I have to reach IR (17 respecs). That means:
- I am losing all the mana+health nodes (minor)
- I am losing the minion damage, I'm fine with that
- I am losing the mana nodes under hexmaster (maybe minor, but consider I have already mana problems)
- I am losing the hexmaster and double curse, that in this point I find really useful
- Losing all these respecs make it more difficult to respec to CI in the future. Is CI going to be mandatory?? How you plan to counter chaos?
Is that really worth it? I can't think of anything that will make me see a difference immediately other than start using spectres.

Also I 'll try all the gems you suggested, thanks.

My biggest problem though is my survivability and not the slow clearing speed of my minions, I can bare with that. Right now although my zombies do a fair amount of damage + the skeletons + double curse, I can't really stand around because , especially in open area zones, I can't really take any hits because they bring me really low.

About the auras I minmaxed my resistances to 72 75 75 so I don't need purity for now, Vitality is not that important because I have animation flasks and zombies can raise any moment, maybe its mandatory with spectres though. I currently run discipline that boosts my es from 500 to around 900, but it doesn't really makes a difference. I ll try with determination.

Edit: to GoatEatingToilet
Yeap I agree to the fact that is actually a different build, that's why before I respec to a different build I ll try to fix just my survivability in this build. I 've also dropped MI because either when killing big packs of mobs or bosses, I found that I clear much faster if I keep my minions alive and they continue to deal damage. Maybe it is a good choice just for beginning.

In the meantime I did some docks runs with my current build and the results were really bad. My zombies deal good damage and supported by skeleton totem and the defensive curses I clear slowly but safe. BUT I am so squishy I can't stand the fact that I can't even get out there, I can't take any hits and if my zombies die I don't even have enough time to raise them again....I don't know what is most preferrable to do.. upgrade my gear? Respec to a different build? Play like a chicken with parties!? I plan to go CI at about 70, but it's impossible to progress until there. Also consider the scary nemesis rares that if they manage to reach me I instalogout...THAT BAD

Trying to stack IIR/IIQ on a life + specter based build is a bad idea.
And a very expensive one at that.

gzzz how do you guys get strenght and dexterity? wiht out wasting passive point?

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xenochaos1 wrote:

gzzz how do you guys get strenght and dexterity? wiht out wasting passive point?

Well, even in his current build link, you can see that Rathik is taking 3 of the 4 +30 stat nodes in the witch area. They are not a waste if they enable the build :p

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Rathik2 wrote:

You doing it just fine :). Thats is the only way to drop your mana so you can get the full duration of the flask. You can also use raise zombie, that way you are keeping zombies at full health.

This is why, high mana regen makes it harder to use the flask.

Thanks for the response! And also thanks for this really cool summoner build that you shared us.

Another question though, does all unique items drop in the quest maps?

Using this guide i made to Merciless :P lvl 58 atm!
The fun part starter right after lvl 57. SUMMONER IS OP!

I don't have good gear but the setup i run is just OP, i'm facerolling everything at the moment, if my zombies die they do insane amount of dmg and burn dmg plus i resummon new ones in no time, running two Evangelists Scepter of God spectres for some burst dmg and Proximity Shield ( ITS SUPERB VS STORMCALLER RARE MOB, BOSSES WITH PROJECTILES ) .
+2 bow gems with Poison Arrow + Increased Radius + LMP, good life + resistances quiver.
+2 minion helm
Summoners boots
Some IR and ress + HP gear.

So basicaly i just trow a poison arrow in a pack of mobs, 1 fire trap if there are blues or rares, i cast vulnerability and 2 secs pack is destroyed.

Got 3k Life, 76 all ress with Purity + Clarity on. Infinite mana due high mana regen.
The problem is that i have rly bad Defence and evasion, about 20% on each.