[2.0]Rathik's NEWBIE FRIENDLY FUN&CHEAP FARMER, DPS Summoner. High AOE DMG, SURVIVAL."The Matriarch"

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Atum84 wrote:

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Rathik2 wrote:

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Atum84 wrote:

heya,

if i wanna do maps as summoner-mf culler only with grps, do i really need the minion +x%dmg nodes?

here is my current skilltree with lvl63(a3 merc, didnt do any quests yet)

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAB2MQlxFQFLAVUBXXGmwc3B0UHdknqSj6KU8qmCymLL80CjdmN4M5UjowOtg74UNUQ2NEBEjnTblObU-_VmNXK1gHWPVmnmvbbRlxTXNTfRh-WX_Ghq6PRpMnms-boZ2uncSio6brpwinK6yYtAy3MbiTu9a8N7-XwcXB88NtyT3MvNDQ14bZC9rd4vfkIuaB6rrr7uwY7DjyHvfX-oD60g==

next nodes are faith&steel, then influence/souvereignty? after that some last es nodes maybe

I don't really want to comment on that.

why?

or the other way: do lvl20 zombies viable dmg with all %dmg nodes?

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sogy21432 wrote:

I just want to expand on your already written detail that summoners don't shine until level 68 when they can get higher zombie level gem.

My first character ever is a scion and after a long time I've reached level 80. I'm still leveling the spectral throw gem I first got but even as a level 80 character my spectral throw gem is only at level 18. Somebody has to have a lot of commitment to level up their zombie gem if they want to start a summoner when a new long term league starts (for fresh economy with no level 18+ gems for easy buying).

I know you can get +2 level from helms but my level 16 (and then +2 = 18) zombies are mediocre to bad at damage when partying in groups in a level 66 map. I forgot at what level my first character was for my very first gem spectral throw gem to reach level 17 but it's long imo. I'm not sure how effective zombies will be in group play if I level it up to level 17 (and then 17+2 = 19). The damage is okay for solo play but I worry at higher level zombies will have trouble if it has trouble doing damage in level 66 map party plays.

Can you post vids doing maps level 75+, including boss kills too? I've just tried to search for vids of summoners at high level maps, solo and group play, and didn't get results I want.

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Rathik2 wrote:

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fid1 wrote:

Can this build do higher level maps like 77 or something? I also got raped by temple piety lol there was 2 of them. Also is montreguls grasp good for this build or no?

Also I just tried killing dominus and just wow. I burned through atleast 20/30 zombies and had many near death experiences and only got him to half hp in his 2nd form then I just stopped cause I died 2 times.

My passives are pretty much yours just with some str passives for gear

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I have around 4.5k Es with discipline and maxed resists with purity of elements.
My zombies just get killed super easily and they have 6.6k hp. Any solutions on how I could kill dominus like you do in your video?

Get more ES.
Fix your gems and links.
Use non totem skeleton.
Use decoy totem instead of reju totem.

Pretty much use the guide. The info is there, you just have to read it.

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Rathik2 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyYeZqUJBM

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fid1 wrote:

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Rathik2 wrote:

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fid1 wrote:

Can this build do higher level maps like 77 or something? I also got raped by temple piety lol there was 2 of them. Also is montreguls grasp good for this build or no?

Also I just tried killing dominus and just wow. I burned through atleast 20/30 zombies and had many near death experiences and only got him to half hp in his 2nd form then I just stopped cause I died 2 times.

My passives are pretty much yours just with some str passives for gear

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I have around 4.5k Es with discipline and maxed resists with purity of elements.
My zombies just get killed super easily and they have 6.6k hp. Any solutions on how I could kill dominus like you do in your video?

Get more ES.
Fix your gems and links.
Use non totem skeleton.
Use decoy totem instead of reju totem.

Pretty much use the guide. The info is there, you just have to read it.

It would cost me a lot of exalted orbs to get more ES lol. What happend to being cheap.

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Atum84 wrote:

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Rathik2 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyYeZqUJBM

? i asked for 6-man-grp, but i think ill just test it and refund if the dmg doesnt fit

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Rathik2 wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

I'd just like to add a thanks for the guide, in particular the suggestions for leveling path in terms of survival stats first > summoner points later. I leveled up my first summoner following essentially the same idea, but hammed it through and ended up with TONNES of summoner nodes as well as multi-curse by 60s, but very little personal survival in Nemesis. I made it to 61, but there were some VERY harrowing sections where the summons just don't have the survivability and I ended up often kiting around like crazy trying not to die as I madly summoned skele totems to kill stuff with explosions.

That summoner died to a disconnect at 61, so a few weeks later I have started again (sidhebreath and bones of ullr dropped, it was a sign). Just as a heads up for anyone who doesn't have the income to support the powerleveling gear suggested in your guide (it's very hard to get the important bits as a fresh starter in a new league), spectral throw is an extraordinarily cheap option for leveling very safely. Buy a couple of 2hand weapons at a couple of key points and you will easily one-shot any blue or less with a single throw.

For me, since I had no currency at all when I started, I bought a limbsplit to use from 12 for an alch, then a random 2hand axe with good dps from 18, and that axe easily got me to ~42 with very little dps issues. Assuming you go hell for leather to life nodes first, then start taking close-by summoner nodes, your summons can start being very effective pretty much as soon as you get access to the shield/explosion evangelists in sceptre of god. I am still using spectral throw along-side my summons, everything melts with no more than 3 or 4 chaos worth of gear at 42, besides what I've self-found.

The latest life video looks incredibly fun and I can't wait to get there. One question I have is how do the zombies take absolutely no damage? I understand their health pools are incredibly high but you barely ever have to replace them and I can't work out any way their health is regenerating... does the discipline do that good a job of keeping them up?

If you are talking about the life video I just uploaded, I am not using discipline.
Hatred, purity and clarity.
They are level 18 zombies, there is huge difference on there DPS and health from level 20 zombies.
They are pretty weak in the video to be honest.

And there health is not regenerating :).

Its all comes down to cast rotation. I cast raise zombie even when they are eight of them up.

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I cast chains and vulnerability then drop a skeleton totem then cast EK to direct them.
After that you pretty much are waiting for monsters to die. I take that time and raise 1-2 zombies. This way I have some of them at full health in case something goes wrong.
If you can have 4 zombies at full health and 4 ready to explode then you are taking advantage of minion instability with out loosing your entire army at once.

Don't wait until you loose all your zombies to start raising them.

Every summoner should put Raise zombie in there cast rotation.

Zombies are meant to die and raised. Its way more efficient than to try to keep them alive with potions, vitality aura, rejuvenation totem. Minion instability goes to waste then.

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Rathik2 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyYeZqUJBM