Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

Who wants loot tension? nobody. Who wants to get one-shot by the Vaal Oversoul? nobody. Who wants to waste 1200 fusings and not get a 5l? nobody. Who wants to be locked into a character build instead of just changing it at will? you see where this is heading? Game difficulty is not just about monsters, its all of it! its up to game designers to force these things on us, its not our place to pick and choose.

I can pick and choose because I can up and leave at any time. Therefore, if I'm not playing PoE, then you can assume I'm not supporting it either.

Does this translate into GGG should say yes to everything? Not at all. For example,

[1.] You were alluding to the cries of "free respec" and I agree that it is a limitation in place that some people dislike. However, Path of Exile sort of has a system that allows respec in a way that is fun for me, and many others.

[2.] The fusing and jeweler system IN MY OPINION could be modified to be less... disappointing.

[3.] Bosses that one-shot you? Are we talking with amazingly good gear, or just average gear? One-shotting works when there's a way to "counter" it.

You mentioned something about 'whining' and 'difficulty'. Thing is, loot tension doesn't necessarily add the right kind of difficulty. I can be the biggest noob at this game, yet obtain some freaking good loot from getting good at looting fast and efficiently. Loot tension just didn't quite work I'm afraid. At least FFA is available because it was apparent that many people still would love to use it.

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Yet, perhaps this should have been expected?

Maybe so. Because it appears to me that FFA isn't as cracked up as it was in the good ol' Diablo 2 days, huh? I think people can speak for themselves on how they have fun, and apparently FFA isn't for everyone. Although, GGG could've stuck to their guns and just flat out said: "We will not be offering anything else other than FFA because that is how this game was designed." I would've respected their decision either way.

Note: I don't see any other 900 page threads on the forum, so I really cannot see the snowball effect some of you are referring to. Things will not spiral out of control just because GGG decided to offer something other than the system they envisioned, which was FFA to begin with, right? ...and not the timer bs, right?

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

Who wants loot tension? nobody. Who wants to get one-shot by the Vaal Oversoul? nobody. Who wants to waste 1200 fusings and not get a 5l? nobody. Who wants to be locked into a character build instead of just changing it at will? you see where this is heading? Game difficulty is not just about monsters, its all of it! its up to game designers to force these things on us, its not our place to pick and choose.

I have argued against this line of thinking before. The whole loot tension is pvp compeition and forcing that onto people is going to make many upset. This is something that is not about game difficulty but playstyle. If this game forced you to group with other players then maybe there would be an argument for game difficulty because the multiplayer was part of the core design of the entire game. But thats not the case, if people didn't like the forced pvp in their public gmaes then could avoid it at will. Thats nothing like your game difficulty examples.

Also your very extreme in saying that no one likes that stuff. I don't like this whole loot tension BS but I really appreciate the game difficulty of the monsters and crafting. Its the same argument that I make for why we need a good death penalty. No one enjoys dieing but the game would be completely stupid if dieing meant nothing. There are great reasons why a good death penalty should be in the game or why Vaal should be really difficult, but there isn't a good reason why the entire playerbase should have to tolerate FFA.

The only reason it took the devs this long to decide to change it is because there was no voice on the team to represent people who don't like FFA.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

Why the hell would i fight over loot in FFA if i can just do it the easy way?

Maybe because you argued over and over again about how easy it is to get your own loot in FFA and even get more loot than you would solo. If its so fun and easy why would you NOT use it? Was it difficult or not, make up your mind.

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I never said it was difficult. I also said if they gave loot options id play the easiest one. Just like everyone else will.

So whats the point of loot options? Whats the point of increased timers anyways?

MIght as well make it full instanced loot then. I don't even see the point of longer timers. I don't want to see others peoples drops or waste time camping drops for 10 seconds at a time just to be denied at the last second.




Gooooood Job everyone... *clap* *clap* *clap*.

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iamstryker wrote:

there isn't a good reason why the entire playerbase should have to tolerate FFA.

I have yet to see a vaild reason as to why not.


btw...there isn't a good reason why the entire playerbase should have to tolerate no full instant respects options.



See i can make no sense too. Its easy.

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Vooodu wrote:

I never said it was difficult. I also said if they gave loot options id play the easiest one. Just like everyone else will.

Apparenlty it is more difficult or you wouldnt call the other option easier and run to it like everyone else.

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Vooodu wrote:

So whats the point of loot options? Whats the point of increased timers anyways?

Not my fault you continually refuse to listen to the people who have tried to explain why in the simplest terms possible.

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Vooodu wrote:

MIght as well make it full instanced loot then. I don't even see the point of longer timers. I don't want to see others peoples drops or waste time camping drops for 10 seconds at a time just to be denied at the last second.

Then play Full FFA and enjoy ninjaing like you have said that you enjoy over and over in this thread.

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iamstryker wrote:

there isn't a good reason why the entire playerbase should have to tolerate FFA.

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Vooodu wrote:

I have yet to see a vaild reason as to why not.

Plenty have been given. Your arguments are easily refuted such as the very dumb "it makes the game easier BS".

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Vooodu wrote:

btw...there isn't a good reason why the entire playerbase should have to tolerate no full instant respects options.

Wow, to try to make a non existant point you say something that you know is completely retarded, Congrats?

Full respecs are easily refuted as a result of game difficulty and core design.

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Vooodu wrote:

See i can make no sense too. Its easy.

Didn't have to tell me, thats the only thing you appear to be good at. Making no sense and acting like your opinions are facts is your specialty.

So...when is this free and easy to get loot going to hit the server?

when it's ready. But it should be soon if I read the manifesto aright.

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iamstryker wrote:

Full respecs are easily refuted as a result of game difficulty and core design.

Actually loot options are easily refuted as a result of game difficulty and core design. See how that works kiddo?



Like i've said, i've yet to hear any real reason as to why loot options are needed. Let alot one why drops need timers at all. Unless of course they have some sort of sob story attached to it. Which means exaclty what i've been saying is true. Nothing but whiners...



SO if whiners can have loot options to stop their tears why can't people have full resects and every single other thing they want? What, do the tears only matter when you agree with them?


So good job kiddies, you kicked and screamed and cried and whined until daddy gave into want you want. Can't wait to camp drops for 10 seconds at a time, still get the drop and watch you kiddies cry some more.


Like i said, might as well make it full instanced loot and drop the rest of the garbage.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

I never said it was difficult. I also said if they gave loot options id play the easiest one. Just like everyone else will.

Apparenlty it is more difficult or you wouldnt call the other option easier and run to it like everyone else.

The difficulty is comparable to dropping ones drawers to take a dump VS wearing a full diaper instead.

Sure, droping ones drawers when natures calls is more difficult then just free dooking in a diaper.

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Vooodu wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Full respecs are easily refuted as a result of game difficulty and core design.

Actually loot options are easily refuted as a result of game difficulty and core design. See how that works kiddo?



Like i've said, i've yet to hear any real reason as to why loot options are needed. Let alot one why drops need timers at all. Unless of course they have some sort of sob story attached to it. Which means exaclty what i've been saying is true. Nothing but whiners...



SO if whiners can have loot options to stop their tears why can't people have full resects and every single other thing they want? What, do the tears only matter when you agree with them?


So good job kiddies, you kicked and screamed and cried and whined until daddy gave into want you want. Can't wait to camp drops for 10 seconds at a time, still get the drop and watch you kiddies cry some more.


Like i said, might as well make it full instanced loot and drop the rest of the garbage.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

I never said it was difficult. I also said if they gave loot options id play the easiest one. Just like everyone else will.

Apparenlty it is more difficult or you wouldnt call the other option easier and run to it like everyone else.

The difficulty is comparable to dropping ones drawers to take a dump VS wearing a full diaper instead.

Sure, droping ones drawers when natures calls is more difficult then just free dooking in a diaper.

You cry a lot.

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Drahken wrote:

You cry a lot.

Feel free to point out my 'crying' and il give you my account and quit the game.


Good luck with that.

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Vooodu wrote:

I don't want to see others peoples drops or waste time camping drops for 10 seconds at a time just to be denied at the last second.

Here is an idea... DON'T CAMP OTHER PEOPLE'S DROPS. Hmm, wonder why you were against looting options.