Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

Ok so now everyone is ganging up on me and judging my character. Great.

Oh come now, FS. You're not feeling bullied or griefed, are you? Perish the thought.

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Seeing "loot by name" in title doesn't bother me but saying "no ninja does" the first doesn't imply anything negative and the second does.

Negative? Really? Golly, FS, what's negative about being labeled a ninja? I mean, hell, the game is *designed* to cater to loot ninjas. It's built around the principle. Why therefore would you be reluctant to lump yourself in with that crowd? Be a ninja and proud!

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Xaxyx Stop judging my character and using personal attacks. You obviously just have to be right and don't want debate. Fine, I just won't post in this thread anymore, it's a waste of time when I keep getting personal attacks because of my viewpoint.

Aaaand another fold. Pleh. Why is it that I have yet to see THIS person come onto the thread:

"Pardon me, gentlemen, but I happen to believe that stealing loot from one another is in fact a jolly good pasttime. Quite so, I for one believe it's a smashing idea to be snatching each others' items willy-nilly. Indeed, I'm quite fond of the entire loot ninja process, and enjoy both stealing other peoples' items and having them stolen from me. Why, I look forward to that each time I join a group. Oh, ho! You've taken hold of my Orb! Why, you rapscallion! You whimsical jester! But it's all in good fun, most assuredly so. All in good fun."

It's truly a rare site to witness a relaxed, rational, reasonable person attempt to defend the living idiocy that is FFA loot. When those few souls do post here -- most of an interrogatory than a declaration, more often: "Why is FFA loot so bad?" -- they oftentimes change their tune once presented with the GREEN side of the argument. Whereas, the most devout, the most intense, the most passionate defenders of the RED way invariably turn out to be motivated by selfish greed and loot lust combined with some twisted pleasure taking in the griefing of others.

And when called on it; when it's made clear that their bullying in game will not be similarly tolerated here in this thread; they scurry off, back to their dark holes. Sadly, relatively safe in the notion that their play style will not be affected anyway, since the devs still seem all but hell-bent to cater to their whims. Sigh.

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Actually I usually play private games too, and that's because I prefer to play with people who like FFA loot. If I play private games with people who like FFA loot then no one complains.

And thus we come full circle, and appreciate the ultimate of ironies: we GREENS would be more than happy to permit you REDS to play in your own private games with FFA loot enabled, jacking one anothers' items to your hearts' content.

Let me reiterate that, as it's an extremely crucial assertion on the part of the GREEN crowd: WE DO NOT want the baseline item system changed. We only want the OPTION to choose between FFA and fair loot distribution. That's all. Nothing more.

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Xaxyx wrote:

And thus we come full circle, and appreciate the ultimate of ironies: we GREENS would be more than happy to permit you REDS to play in your own private games with FFA loot enabled, jacking one anothers' items to your hearts' content.

Let me reiterate that, as it's an extremely crucial assertion on the part of the GREEN crowd: WE DO NOT want the baseline item system changed. We only want the OPTION to choose between FFA and fair loot distribution. That's all. Nothing more.

But of course REDs do not want GREENs to have their own environment, because then they cannot rob and harass GREENs anymore and that is the whole fun of being RED.

As I said in an earlier post, if GGG wants to make grouping reflect the atmosphere of PoE by keeping it FFA, they also should make public games PvP. That would make grouping and looting sooooo much more interesting.

I admit that i was not a fan of FFA at first but after playing quite alot of public games i must say i like FFA more than instanced.

Reason beeing that in those public games the groups pretty much stayed and fought well together. No drifting behind etc. I was thinking about why this group flow was so good and thought that the loot system contributed to that way. Because you just cant slack and not keep up with the team, cause youd get no loot. Now if loot was intanced you could slack and just pick up your loot and not really contribute like youd have to with FFA.

Just increase the timer slightly. Maybe double it :)

Good point akete. Both styles have their positives and negatives. In FFA people like the pace because people have to keep up and not lag behind. I'm glad the game provides that way to play for you guys. The downside would be that instead of the leechers lagging behind and picking up their allocated loot they would be right next to you trying to take your share of the loot.

Leechers suck either way. I don't know why anyone would play the game to NOT play it and just leech off of other players.

Leechers would be dumb in the instanced system but more than likely wouldn't be hurting my experience at all unless the difficulty was just too much with them not helping.

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akete wrote:

Reason beeing that in those public games the groups pretty much stayed and fought well together. No drifting behind etc. I was thinking about why this group flow was so good and thought that the loot system contributed to that way. Because you just cant slack and not keep up with the team, cause youd get no loot. Now if loot was intanced you could slack and just pick up your loot and not really contribute like youd have to with FFA.

Herein I vehemently disagree. The current loot system, the FFA system, explicitly encourages and rewards slacking. Not only is actual performance totally unrelated to the loot that's available for us to scoop up, but because it takes time and attention to make sure we get to it first, we're *better off* just standing around like an ass and waiting for items to sprinkle onto the ground.

Better still: rather than putting on IIQ equipment, just let the other players with much better IIQ kill the monsters for you. Then pop on over and pick up the items that they so graciously generated for you. Such a deal!

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Better still: rather than putting on IIQ equipment, just let the other players with much better IIQ kill the monsters for you. Then pop on over and pick up the items that they so graciously generated for you. Such a deal!

Leechers wont last long in my groups. I even predict ninjas and douches will have a tough time in wraeclast. It's so easy to spot them and call them out. You will make friends and enemies. It will be great.

Yes you can spot them and kick them but then what? What’s stopping a kicked player from joining your public party again?

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akete wrote:

Leechers wont last long in my groups. I even predict ninjas and douches will have a tough time in wraeclast. It's so easy to spot them and call them out. You will make friends and enemies. It will be great.

So will you be keeping a spreadsheet list of ninjas and douches? (Will that be one spreadsheet, or two?) Will you be merging said spreadsheet with those of other players? Does that sound great to you? Is that the mini-game you're looking to play? Track the Ninjas?

And what makes it YOUR group, anyway? There's currently no real mechanic for stopping someone from repeatedly joining your public game, so far as I'm aware.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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akete wrote:

Leechers wont last long in my groups. I even predict ninjas and douches will have a tough time in wraeclast. It's so easy to spot them and call them out. You will make friends and enemies. It will be great.

So will you be keeping a spreadsheet list of ninjas and douches? (Will that be one spreadsheet, or two?) Will you be merging said spreadsheet with those of other players? Does that sound great to you? Is that the mini-game you're looking to play? Track the Ninjas?

And what makes it YOUR group, anyway? There's currently no real mechanic for stopping someone from repeatedly joining your public game, so far as I'm aware.

No; i will fill my friends list with nice people i meet in public games and propably end up playing mostly in private groups.

You are overly paranoid. For every 1 bad experiance there are 10 good ones. Get over it. dont expect the game to protect you entirely from the bad ones.

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akete wrote:

Because you just cant slack and not keep up with the team, cause youd get no loot. Now if loot was intanced you could slack and just pick up your loot and not really contribute like youd have to with FFA.

It's so easy to make an instanced system where loot does drop for you only if you're in the fighting are. You're not? Then no instanced loot for you. So simple.
Therefor your argument is not a valid one.

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akete wrote:

No; i will fill my friends list with nice people i meet in public games and propably end up playing mostly in private groups.

So your public party is in fact a private one, with its own private rules. Interesting

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akete wrote:

For every 1 bad experiance there are 10 good ones.

You know, the other way arround has the same argument weight.