[1.1.0] Facebreaker Cyclone in Endgame

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therealjcool wrote:

Or would you rather go with a Bringer than a 5L Carcass? I like high life builds (this will have 5k+ in the end) so I'm not sure if I can get by without the HP boost the carcass will provide.

Comments on BoR vs Carcass here

BoR would be better than 5L carcass since it offers the same dps while providing more defenses.

That said, I prefer 6L carcass over Bringer.

Right. I did read that, just "overlooked" the crazy HP stat on the BoR or I would have gotten one, lol. Oh well, too late ;)



Have to say I am still very pleased with the performance of this build. That 5L Carcass + Abyssus cost me half as much as a BoR (tho I got lucky getting it to RRRGB with only 50 or so chroms), and I really love the increased AoE of Cyclone despite using conc. effect (I now have a quality cyclone gem aswell).

Gonna try the BoR when DOM becomes Standard, also getting some 900%+ Facebreakers of course ;)

At level 77 I mostly followed your tree and have gotten everything but the block/shield nodes. Trying to decide which would increase my "tankyness" more, pure life nodes or those block nodes.

Also thinking about grabbing a few more reduced mana Aura nodes so I could run a 3rd 60% aura. Decisions decisions!

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therealjcool wrote:

That 5L Carcass + Abyssus cost me half as much as a BoR (tho I got lucky getting it to RRRGB with only 50 or so chroms), and I really love the increased AoE of Cyclone despite using conc. effect (I now have a quality cyclone gem aswell).

You do end up with slightly lower hp than a BoR. 4k hp is enough for most stuff, though there are times I wish I had more. Can't have everything.

On the bright side, you will do fine DPS-wise. You should break 20k easily even with a 5L. The larger AoE is a nice cherry.

For 25k-30k AoE dps with this level of defense, this is very much a value/budget build. We probably rank up there with the Soul Takers in terms of performance, right under the mirror-worthy weapon guys. Even 2handers will need good gear to match, requiring (by my estimates) at least a 400-500pdps weapon and some serious crit specs.

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therealjcool wrote:

At level 77 I mostly followed your tree and have gotten everything but the block/shield nodes. Trying to decide which would increase my "tankyness" more, pure life nodes or those block nodes.

Maybe consider Q20'ing your ConcEff and LifeLeech gems? ConcEff first of course. When you cyclone on BM, you're actually dealing a lot of "damage" to yourself.

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therealjcool wrote:

Also thinking about grabbing a few more reduced mana Aura nodes so I could run a 3rd 60% aura.

16% reserve reduction uses 95-96% of your mana pool running 60/60/40 auras (without Alphas). I have 22 free mana which I use to manual cast EnduringCry and LightningWarp.

You need at least 23% reserve reduction to run 60/60/60 auras (without Alphas). I don't think this is very feasible considering there's only one other 5% reduction node down in the Marauder area; the rest are way up northeast in the scion/shadow area. You can pretty much forget about it unless you want to remap the tree for a scion version. ^^

If one day I get a reset (or have 40-50 spare regret orbs lying around), I *might* switch from this current skill tree

to this tweaked skill tree for saffell/strides.

The end result will probably trade off some offense for defense.

The idea is to get just enough block for spell block, use grace to compensate for my 2000 EV shield, and more life% to compensate for the loss of hp on boots/shield. This will make the build even more generic and accessible?

Of course, immortal call suffers since I diverted all those nodes. I rather like my immortal call atm, so I'll have to think about it...

(Patch 1.06)

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Myrthr wrote:

You do end up with slightly lower hp than a BoR. 4k hp is enough for most stuff, though there are times I wish I had more. Can't have everything.

On the bright side, you will do fine DPS-wise. You should break 20k easily even with a 5L. The larger AoE is a nice cherry.

Currently sitting at 14k tooltip, I don't think I'm getting past 15k without major gear changes.
Of course, the easiest (and cheapest) way to upgrade is to just get a pair of 900%+ Facebreakers, as mine only have 721%. Or did you mean 20k with legacy FB anyway? :)

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Maybe consider Q20'ing your ConcEff and LifeLeech gems? ConcEff first of course. When you cyclone on BM, you're actually dealing a lot of "damage" to yourself.

That's true. I did get a bargain on a Q20 LL gem last night, so only conc. effect left to upgrade :)

Your math looks sound for the auras, so not going there. Question remains as to whether I will go for block nodes, or just life nodes. Assuming I can keep up Immortal Call most of the time, I wouldn't need block chance anyway, correct? So going for 5k+ life seems like the better deal to me?

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therealjcool wrote:

Currently sitting at 14k tooltip, I don't think I'm getting past 15k without major gear changes.
Of course, the easiest (and cheapest) way to upgrade is to just get a pair of 900%+ Facebreakers, as mine only have 721%. Or did you mean 20k with legacy FB anyway? :)

I think if you just level up your Lv15 MeleePhysDmg and Lv17 ConcEff, you should clear 15k easily. That's at least 5% + 3% MORE (not INCREASED) damage?

I did have low-900s legacy FBs in mind, which shouldn't be all that expensive.

I think with the current FBs you can hit 20k too, but it'll take Meginords, AddedFire, a bit more attack speed, etc. The estimate is based on 30% off my own 29k dps, and then considering I still have room for offensive improvement that I just didn't take (e.g., Meginords, AddedFire, attack speed/damage passives).

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therealjcool wrote:

Assuming I can keep up Immortal Call most of the time, I wouldn't need block chance anyway, correct? So going for 5k+ life seems like the better deal to me?

Depends on how you play. If you are patient, yes, you can keep ImmCall up all the time. If you are impatient, no, because keeping ImmCall up all the time is too tedious. I belong to the latter category :D

That said, I don't consider physical block overly important for me due having sufficient armor/charges for non-boss mobs. I think I'll spec out of it in the upcoming reset.

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Myrthr wrote:

Depends on how you play. If you are patient, yes, you can keep ImmCall up all the time. If you are impatient, no, because keeping ImmCall up all the time is too tedious. I belong to the latter category :D

That said, I don't consider physical block overly important for me due having sufficient armor/charges for non-boss mobs. I think I'll spec out of it in the upcoming reset.

Thanks, that makes sense lol. I too am not an overly patient player, gonna spend that one point for increased endurance charge duration I think, to increase chances of "auto-sustain".

I did get all the quality gems now, which made a difference but still just over 14k dps.
Life is closing in on 5000 now, and it feels good. Both my leech cap and regen also profit from this, as leech is overcapped otherwise at 10% using the LL gem. Only thing I have issues with are crazy chaos dmg mobs, and stuff like bleed/poison markers. The rest just dies with me losing virtually no HP :)

I haven't played this char much further (lv81) because my friends decided to start yet another new char, so I went along (and now have 1 more failed caster to look at in ma loading screen... lol).

Gonna push this one till the reset though, hoping to get to atleast 85 ish - we'll see what the new tree brings heh :)

Okay, made it into the 20k tooltip now :)

Gear:


What I did was change my HP/Res belt for Meginord's and my Phys Dmg/Life Amulet for Phys Dmg/Life Leech. This allowed me to swap the LL gem for an added fire dmg gem (it's still low level though).

Doing the math, I currently have 4300 life and 20k dps - my leech rate is capped at 860 HP/s without the Quality LL gem. So the 6% LL I now have on the Amulet is more than my cap (I even specced out of the Souldrinker node). While this change is significantly harder to play on high maps with phys reflect (I really do need Immortal Call now vs. Rares and larger mobs), I feel the increased dps is worth it. With good legacy FB and some more gem levels I should break the 25k mark, which isn't bad for a 5L :)

[Patch 1.1 update]

Tweaked the build slightly to provide more elemental resists at the expense of some block and immortal call time. The major adjustment I made was to take a second major aura reservation reduction cluster near the scion area. As a result, I can now fit in 60/60/60 auras or 60/60/40/40 if required.

I also took a lot of the new life+armor mixed nodes. If you don't like armor, skip those (at the beginning of the marauder tree) and opt for the 8% pure life nodes for more hp.

You can now adjust auras to get more offense or defense as you like. See first post for screencaps of some typical aura combinations.

I think I might investigate getting more spellblock via Rainbowstrides later, if and when I get a pair.

Haven't played much new material yet since I've been messing with the tree the last few days.

The slight loss of dps was due to attack speed going from 2.62aps down to 2.57aps. This can be made up pretty quickly considering I have immediate access to the 3-3-12 berserker cluster and the 6 speed duelist starter.

VP is immediately accessible too but I'm not going to try it yet. Going to test how far my improved armor can get me. VP is on the Will-Try-Later list though.

No vaal gems or vaal orbs to play with yet. I wonder how vaal cyclone works??

(Patch 1.1, Mar 10, 2014)

Hi, Myrthr, i just started playing with facebreakers, i had a very good cycloner in the past, so i really like the idea of facebreaker cyclone. I started building my facebreaker character with KorgothBG's build, but his build is for infernal blow and i want to end up with cyclone so i tried to do my own build where i can reach middle point between your two builds. So i ended up with this: http://bit.ly/1g4Cwhx. What do you think about it? I traded up your reduced cost of auras and skills for block and more life. Do you think this build can be viable in new HC? Thanks for your answers.