Why isn't this game on Steam?!

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dashgalaxy86 wrote:

Also, Valve would be setting the rules for their servers and would be in charge of enforcement.

Yes, that is true in general. But since GGG probably will use their own servers and not the Steam ones (means, no Steamworks) there are NO restrictions for them.

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Hellfell wrote:

Valve gets a fair share of the game's profits to their pocket.

GGG probably has to pay money for the game being in Steam store and for the advertisement in the daily Steam highlght box but that's it. The profit from the microtransactions which will be sold through this site (GGG's paypal account) go all to GGG, unless GGG offers them as well in the Steam store.

That makes sense. In this case, I wouldn't be surprised if Full Release appeared in Steam. Why the hell not?

Only good thing about having game tied to steam is ability to use their netcode and servers. Both PoE already have on same or better level. Otherwise any connection with steam would only lead to another layer of bullshit between you and the game which would only make it worse. All the steam features are bloat, that many dont need, that many dont want and that is unconditionably forced to everyone. So No, this should never happen.
Actually it should never happen to any game, but too many poeple got brainwashed already to think its actually a good thing.

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NeoWorm wrote:

Only good thing about having game tied to steam is ability to use their netcode and servers. Both PoE already have on same or better level. Otherwise any connection with steam would only lead to another layer of bullshit between you and the game which would only make it worse. All the steam features are bloat, that many dont need, that many dont want and that is unconditionably forced to everyone. So No, this should never happen.
Actually it should never happen to any game, but too many poeple got brainwashed already to think its actually a good thing.

It IS a good thing. And it's completely optional. You could install and run it with GGG's installer or through steam. I am already running PoE through steam to be able to chat with my friends playing other games.
GGG would never completely rely on steamworks to run the server structure, so there is no way or reason steam could become a requirement to play the game.
I don't even know how steam handles their third party F2P games. I could imagine that they don't get charged at all, or just a minor amount, because what those third party F2P do for steam is getting the steam library free games. So that players have steam as the way to go. Because getting people to use steam at all is always the first step.
And the "advertisement" PoE would receive is not even paid for. If steam would sell the front page games as advertisement space, you would never ever see games like Binding of Isaac dlc, Lone Survivor or Ys there. This is just mirroring of what's popular right now.
That is how the "advertisemt" factor works, PoE being on the front page, in the top 5 of rpgs, in the top 5 of F2P. No need to pay anything.

Supporting steam as it is now is always a bad thing. Desura already stepped down from pushing their bloated client to every single thing you want to buy from them and untill steam does the same thing it doesnt deserve any credit that is given to it.

Since you won't ever buy PoE on steam, even IF you play it on steam, because it free, what's the problem of offering it to the players there?
If you don't like steam you don't use it and will never even notice any difference just because PoE is also available there.

And in general it does deserve credit. Whether you like the client or not, or your internet sucks is in no way my problem when I'm using it. I don't have to reinstall all my games on steam when I change my OS, I don't have to manually download 6 patches which are each available in 5 different region versions and for 3 different editions of the game, and then install them in a specific order. I just click install, wait and play.
Unless the publisher specifically wants to bother me with their uber-drm.
Aside from all functions the client has when actually playing the game, which you could like or not, THIS is what drew me away from DVDs and to steam.
That "bloated" client is the very reason I buy there. So it deserves all credit.

Sorry but putting this on Steam would be silly. They would want some of the profits from the cash shop, or to charge a fee to download from their client. Otherwise Steam would just be providing free advertisement.

I just don't see any incentive for GGG to do something that dumb. They are better off purchasing advertising links on gaming sites.

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golem09 wrote:

And in general it does deserve credit. Whether you like the client or not, or your internet sucks is in no way my problem when I'm using it. I don't have to reinstall all my games on steam when I change my OS, I don't have to manually download 6 patches which are each available in 5 different region versions and for 3 different editions of the game, and then install them in a specific order. I just click install, wait and play.
Unless the publisher specifically wants to bother me with their uber-drm.
Aside from all functions the client has when actually playing the game, which you could like or not, THIS is what drew me away from DVDs and to steam.
That "bloated" client is the very reason I buy there. So it deserves all credit.

You missed the point why I dont like it.
As long as this awesome client is forced on anybody its bad. You may like, I dont - it doesnt make my opinion any less valid. You can play games not supported by steam with steam installed but I cant play games requiring steam without it. Or at least not legaly. Steam is best service among these kind of services, but you cant refuse this service and not to break any law while doing so. That alone makes it as bad as any other stupid DRM. And no amount of sugercoating it with "features" can change it.
These features are absolutely useless to people like me and I would gladly spend an hour upgrading my game with standalone updaters if I could install the game where I wanted.
Admit it - steam is for stupid people and its trying to knock everybody else to that level. Because only then they can sell more stupid games that noone would ever want if they werent 95% off and that will never be played by the people who bought them.

I'd rather have steam drm than being forced to have the game in my dvd drive. There is also no legal way around that.

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NeoWorm wrote:

You missed the point why I dont like it.
As long as this awesome client is forced on anybody its bad.

Just because a game is listed on Steam doesn't mean that the client is mandatory to run the game. For example, Realm of the Mad God is listed on Steam - yet it's a browser based game.
Many of the Paradox titles - Victoria II, Crusader Kings II, Sengoku, etc. are listed on Steam. They are also distributed by GamersGate and GameStop. In addition to that, you can play the game with a retail copy free of all those distribution networks.

Valve doesn't force developers to exclusively use the Steam distribution network.
I don't know the specifics of their terms and agreements for listing a game on Steam, but judging from the amount of small studios that choose to list their games on Steam, I'd say it would be a very small cost, possibly even free.

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Kirisute_Gomen wrote:

Sorry but putting this on Steam would be silly. They would want some of the profits from the cash shop, or to charge a fee to download from their client. Otherwise Steam would just be providing free advertisement.

Ultimately, it benefits the Steam network, as more games listed = more activity/traffic = more usage = potentially more sales.