Introducing Kirac's Vault Pass

The monetization in this game is getting increasingly more unfair. I'm not saying that it is completely unfair at this current moment, but the frequency of questionable decisions they are making is clearly spiraling out of control.

Since this is the case, I am losing faith that they will be able to pull it back in the right direction. If this continues, I guarantee we will end up with another WoW story.

I think you underestimate how quickly these things can happen. The game has been around for a decade, but it has changed. This game has not been successful for anywhere close to a decade. If the community is unwilling to make their voice heard by not supporting predatory marketing tactics, this game will eventually fail.

I am very disturbed by the fact that not a single staff member from GGG has taken the time to respond to our concerns. They've had the time to post multiple more MTX updates since this "battle pass" was made, but no time to write up a single post for the community?

I won't reiterate what my concerns are, since I've posted many times about them already. We can't support these kinds of practices and it will end badly if we do.

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What's "shady" is the fact that, unlike with for example lootboxes, this is a major FOMO material. They did not even try to state that they plan on releasing them as standalone cosmetics.

Supporter packs and the challange rewards are also time limited.

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Kelori wrote:

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What's "shady" is the fact that, unlike with for example lootboxes, this is a major FOMO material. They did not even try to state that they plan on releasing them as standalone cosmetics.

Supporter packs and the challange rewards are also time limited.

Supporter packs have 6 months since release to buy, you get all the items on purchase permanently.

Vault has 3 months and if you don't earn them all then screw off, we take your damn money anyway and lose the chance to get the rest.

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Supporter packs have 6 months since release to buy, you get all the items on purchase permanently.

Vault has 3 months and if you don't earn them all then screw off, we take your damn money anyway and lose the chance to get the rest.

If you are not sure you can complete the atlas progression, you can wait and buy it after u actually completed it, this way every reward will be yours instantly. Just like with the supporter packs.
Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy it, I think it has bad value compared to the price. But it isnt shady, as people call it. It's literally just a unique MTX pack, if you want them u buy it, if you think it's expensive, or u dont use these kinds of uniques, u simply ignore it, and dont buy it. Simple as that.

Challange rewards also last for 3 months btw.

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Kelori wrote:

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Supporter packs have 6 months since release to buy, you get all the items on purchase permanently.

Vault has 3 months and if you don't earn them all then screw off, we take your damn money anyway and lose the chance to get the rest.

If you are not sure you can complete the atlas progression, you can wait and buy it after u actually completed it, this way every reward will be yours instantly. Just like with the supporter packs.
Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy it, I think it has bad value compared to the price. But it isnt shady, as people call it. It's literally just a unique MTX pack, if you want them u buy it, if you think it's expensive, or u dont use these kinds of uniques, u simply ignore it, and dont buy it. Simple as that.

Challange rewards also last for 3 months btw.

What if I want those - or better yet, just PARTICULAR skins out all of them, but know I won't complete the atlas due to time constraints or that I am unlikely to get a HH or bottled faith? I'm cucked, right?

This is the entire point we're making. The value is just not there.

So let me get this straight. You want us to pay 30 bucks for cosmetic items that you can only get when you complete a time limited League.
Meaning that if for some reason you don't do it in time you won't get all of the items you just paid the "small" amount of 30$.

GGWP, greed and FOMO in one.

Can't believe there are people defending this.

The worst part that I don't see people mentioning nearly enough is the simple fact that:

30 USD =/= 300 points

Upgrading my supporter pack to Annihilator cost 40 USD. So in my position, I would be getting a t-shirt, a weapon, weapon effect, armor set, portal AND Kirac's Vault pass with a whole 100 points left over.

Or I can pay 30, and get absolutely nothing else. Even 300 points is too high, but the fact is that 300 points is a lot easier to swallow than 30 USD, because you can get points as part of supporter packs.

If they remove the point system, or start creating more bundles that cannot be purchased with points, this will make supporter packs useless. There will be no point anymore.

The value in supporter packs has already been going down. 90 dollars is the new 60 dollars, 480 dollars (which is absolutely too high) is the new 420 dollars.. and so on. But now that there are things you can't even buy with points, that makes supporter packs even worse of a deal.

If they continue slowly decreasing the value of supporter packs, well what will happen next?

Just disappointed...
And the second upgrade with supporter packs...

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Azukana wrote:

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Psiho_Delija wrote:

This thread is like a salt mine.

Unless they make "battlepass" that gives you a clear in-game advantage, all this is completely pointless.

The MTX is completely optional, and does not influence your gameplay in any shape or form, other than make it more visually pleasing.

If and when this changes, that will be something to discuss and/or argue over.
Until then, if you want that MTX, then suck it up and buy the pass. If you think that GGG owes you anything, then stop and think again. They, in the end, are into making money off this game, whether you like it or not.

That's not how any of this works bro. If a fast food place starts charging $30 for a tiny cheeseburger people will rightfully say that's a terrible value and an insult to them as a customer. Just because the product is a videogame cosmetic doesn't mean it's above criticism, it's an optional product just like 99.999% of other products people are allowed to be critical of. If you're going to white knight at least try instead of making such a transparent and lazy attempt.

If a food place starts charging $30 for a tiny cheeseburger, best way to show them how you feel is to vote with your wallet. Your complaints will most likely fall on deaf ears.
Constructive criticism is one thing, but whining about it is a completely different thing.

I'm not defending GGGs decision, but I'm amazed by the level of entitlement some people feel.

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Kelori wrote:

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Dani_VII wrote:

Sadly there's nothing left of the spirit of the game I supported on beta. The game PoE has become (mistery boxes, battle pass,..) is not the kind of game I like, so don't expect more support from my side if you continue making money this ways.

In what ways? Selling purely cosmetic stuff?
Look around in the F2P market, and show me another successful game without P2W elements, like PoE. What would you play instead? Lost ark? Oh wait it's P2W. Even paid games are becoming filled with P2W microtransactions, like WoW. You pay for the base game, u pay for the expansions, u pay a monthly sub, and on top of that they try to sell you in-game currency for real money kekw.
Look at EA games. 60 USD games, filled with lootboxes.
But sure, it's PoE that is bad, and GGG is greedy, because they monetize cosmetic items in their game, while the game itself, and the expansions are completely free.

Warframe? Last Epoch?

But sure, PoE is the only game in history to succeed without all this crap.

Give me a break.

Lists a game with mandatory wait times that can be skipped with real money alongside the whole prime warframe system that is literally just p2w because they're better than the normal frame, and... a game that costs money...? Get back to me when last Epoch costs 35$ less than it does now lol

MTX really does make people lose their minds for some reason, it's wild

Edit: Actually I completely forgot but Last Epoch is wanting to copy PoE's skin MTX thing after it releases lol, there's even a whole tab for it already in game, this is hilarious