Suggestion for Beta Giveaway System.

Hi all.

After my post in the beta invite forum, I was urged by other members to make a clean post here, so that my suggestion may be discussed, and maybe seen by GGG.

I am very lazy, so here's a copy/paste for ya :)

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I would like to contribute with a suggestion.

What about increase draw chances on the random roll for beta key giveway wrt connection ?

Let me explain...

Every calendar day that a said member connects to the forum, whether he posts or not, increases his draw chances by 1%. That way, you are giving a small yet considerable advantage to those that come everyday, read (and maybe participate in) the forums, and who are generally more active.

I don't see how this could be abused, nor how it could hinder the forum's life. No need to spam-post, and someone who's not really serious about it will probably start coming less and less after a week or so.

For example, I come everyday since I subscribed, to read the beta feedback, to check the different builds, to learn more about the passive skill tree... (Is Avatar of Fire really that OP at the moment ?).

Anyways, I'm patient, waiting to test the game, and eager to help GGG make it even better by the feedback I will do once I'm in.
Because, let's not forget, that is the reason for beta: we play to check for bugs/balancing/glitches and so on.

I hope I'll have the chance to join the other exiles on that fantastic island !

(PS: My friend helped me type this, my english is like... really bad... :P )

(PPS: I have a big handicap: Not only am I fat and stoopid, I'm also french. Please, show some christian mercy, and send me a key to help me overcome my shitty life! XD)

Ok people, what do you think ?

Up...

Bumping this, really want to have your opinion on this suggestion...

Well, lets just hypothetically assume they implemented this today.

By the time open beta rolls around your chances to get into beta will be:

1000% 'from x10 for posting bonus'
35% 'for logging in each day bonus'

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1035% 'total'

*Note: once you reach this total open beta starts right after this so you have less chance than this leading up to beta

Rather insignificant at this stage don't you think?
In fact they could say they did this and no one would be able to statistically disprove them. ^{Note to self: Dont give GGG any ideas}

Theres nothing really wrong with your suggestion, its just come too late
But you should be aware, it might take them 35 days to write the maths for it =P, when they are meant to be developing the game.

Wow...

I just got headshot.

I guess I'll go back to sitting in the garden, sulk and eat worms....

I felt so proud of my idea...
You have ruined my day.

^^

Okay friend, I totally support your idea, yet you can not think that everyone will like it.
There will ALWAYS be some one to disagree with your opinion so don't act desperate.. Sorry to say this but that is just pathetic in my book..
At least you gave it a try.

Bump, for the love of God, Bump.

Great ideas, and constructive ones at that. Not just simply the typical rant about how the timer is broken and we are all sad.

Checking the game every day, and constantly seeing someone with 0 posts or someone who's last visit was over 6 months to a year ago getting the random selection has really put a damper on a ton of perspective players.

Simply doing nothing about the issue is further more going to reduce the number of perspective players, as it is an idication of how we will be treated once the game does go live.

I just hope GGG wouldn't be entirely stubborn with the issue, and if they are not being stubborn with the issue, explain how giving beta keys to players who show less interest in the game is "working as intended".

I could possibly understand this if they wanted a wider variety of player base than just the people who are immediatly interested in the game. Some clarification would put us at ease though.

Thanks, and stay constructive guys, I appreciate it, and I am sure GGG does too.

The timer's intention has been explained dozens of times by the devs. The main point in relation to this suggestion is that people don't have to visit the site or post on the forum to be interested in the game. That is a poor way of judging interest. The fact that they signed up in the first place shows interest, and many people who didn't post have come back to the forum to be greater contributors than many others who logged in every day and spammed up the forum until they received beta keys.

The timer is an automated system that chooses accounts without any human favoritism or discrimination. Everyone who signed up has shown interest and is therefore eligible to get into the beta. No one has grounds to declare someone else's opinion or level of interest/commitment based on his site visitation.

You don't have to log in to stay current on the game. You can read every single forum section, the dev diaries, press releases, etc. without logging in. In fact, GGG even has other means of updating players such as twitter, facebook, and an email newsletter. You don't even have to visit the site at all to stay current. There is no good reason to give posters, loggers, or even visitors a much higher chance of being selected.

The 10x chance for posting is more than enough. It's already a huge boost to those who post on the forum, even if they make entirely useless posts. It may be hard to understand, but some people just simply don't like forums. Requiring each account to post would do nothing more than slightly annoy a lot of people and promote a lot of spam. Requiring log-ins would do nothing but put unnecessary load on the server. Neither of these things would do anything positive for the community or the game.

Wow...

My first suggestion came out honestly, and my second comment about me sulking, and it ruining my day and all was made on a lighter note. For sure, i didn't mean to stir up trouble. Yes, I think that my idea is interesting, and yes, it's true that it comes very late, with open beta closing in on us.

So chill my friends, let this thread fall back into the depths of oblivion...



















PS: Anyone gotta key for me ?
All right all right, I leave ! XD -->[]

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

The timer's intention has been explained dozens of times by the devs. The main point in relation to this suggestion is that people don't have to visit the site or post on the forum to be interested in the game. That is a poor way of judging interest. The fact that they signed up in the first place shows interest, and many people who didn't post have come back to the forum to be greater contributors than many others who logged in every day and spammed up the forum until they received beta keys.

The timer is an automated system that chooses accounts without any human favoritism or discrimination. Everyone who signed up has shown interest and is therefore eligible to get into the beta. No one has grounds to declare someone else's opinion or level of interest/commitment based on his site visitation.

You don't have to log in to stay current on the game. You can read every single forum section, the dev diaries, press releases, etc. without logging in. In fact, GGG even has other means of updating players such as twitter, facebook, and an email newsletter. You don't even have to visit the site at all to stay current. There is no good reason to give posters, loggers, or even visitors a much higher chance of being selected.

The 10x chance for posting is more than enough. It's already a huge boost to those who post on the forum, even if they make entirely useless posts. It may be hard to understand, but some people just simply don't like forums. Requiring each account to post would do nothing more than slightly annoy a lot of people and promote a lot of spam. Requiring log-ins would do nothing but put unnecessary load on the server. Neither of these things would do anything positive for the community or the game.

What I was saying was that the system does little to reward players with ACTIVE interest.

You can be interested in football or any other sport, but if you dont have an ACTIVE interest in it and actually watch the games, then you are missing a significant part of what goes on in the game.

Absolutely there is a way to determine how ACTIVELY interested or not someone is in a game... Who do you assume will make up the serious player base of a free play game? The people who have only logged on to the website one time, thought it was cool, and then moved on to the next game or the players who check in constantly hoping, or praying that they might get the opportunity to play the game? If the invite timer was changed, and the change was made known on the website, then nobody would have an excuse for visiting the site and not knowing of the change...

It is extrememly easy for anyone who has a beta key or has already supported the game to deny this idea... To simply write the idea off as silly or to try to find flaws with the system is just a stubborn , pessimistic way of viewing things. Adding suggestions to the proposed idea would be constructive and helpful.

There are other methods for GGG to advertise and update people about the game, a very good point. If you were to view things in a productive way, those other methods for updating and advertising would be easy to add to the likelieness of being chosen by the update timer aswell.

And if lightningplasma wants the thread to die, I'm sure it will. I was actually applauding the idea, and many others would likely agree with it too.

It is not to say that the original proposed changes would be the correct way of doing things, but simply a logical thought on a POSSIBLE change. There are hundreds of ways the invite timer could or would be improved, but the problem is that it is not... Not rewarding your loyal player base will only alienate them before the game even goes live.

Let me start off by saying I have no issues with your idea (as I said before) and by giving people a small advantage for being 'active' as you are suggesting is fair as long as the % extra chance is kept small.

The beta timer has gone through 'many' changes and is currently acheiving all of its set objectives. It is meant to distribute keys randomly to allow people into the beta at a predefined rate.

The reason it is not being changed to have a more significant bias towards people who log on or post on the site is because there is no proof that people who post on the forums deserve keys & will contribute more to the beta than other members.
However, there is proof that people who do not log into the website still highly value the game and want to be in the beta just as much as you do.

The beta invite system is frequently reveiwed & revised, this has been happening the whole time the beta has been in effect.
Im sure you have all done extensive reading on this topic, incase you havent I will provide you with links to try and catch up Quite honestly, I think you are all lucky the beta timer isnt still 35 minutes long.