Summon Phantasm on Kill Support

I'm disapointed to notice that it seems elemental proliferation support doesn't apply to SPoK, am I right, and why would that be so ?

My lvl 89 Champion-summoner on HCB had them on spectre 5link, which sounds stupid but they did some great tanking and damage, since their AI is so good.

But yeah they are useless for most bossfights compared to a lot of gems.

Can someone at GGG give us the stats of them or so?

I like the *idea* of these... but, in essence, all they are is mobile ethereal knives totems (piercing phys). Not sure how well they convert.

So the only way to really make them work effectively is to support a phys heavy build, but their ranged skill is a *spell* which is quite difficult to support with many ranged attack (ranger) builds, and since spells don't support phys all that well (except BF/EK, ect) and phys (attack) don't support spells (faster cast/echo) at all it's quite difficult to marry the two into a useful whole. Their base cast speed is also *hideously* slow.

I considered pairing them with an EK totem build, to see how that might work, though you loose the spell echo unless you're relying on the phantasms more than the totem to deal the damage. Avoid Sire of Shards... while fun, it's more funny (a joke) than useful.

Also - there is no tooltip whatsoever for these things.
So you have no way of knowing how many casts per second they get, if their duration is modified by duration nodes or supports, or anything else. Overall, rather poorly executed.

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tesb wrote:

2) no generation on bosses (not that it matters as bosses melt to skeletons)

i would really like to see a mechanic added to them so they are more consistent, e.g. if a phantasm kills an enemy or hits a boss/unique it has a chance to refresh it's duration, similar to raging spirits with the "Mark of the red covenant" helmet

THIS!!!

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BlaqWolf wrote:

I like the *idea* of these... but, in essence, all they are is mobile ethereal knives totems (piercing phys). Not sure how well they convert.

So the only way to really make them work effectively is to support a phys heavy build, but their ranged skill is a *spell* which is quite difficult to support with many ranged attack (ranger) builds, and since spells don't support phys all that well (except BF/EK, ect) and phys (attack) don't support spells (faster cast/echo) at all it's quite difficult to marry the two into a useful whole. Their base cast speed is also *hideously* slow.

I considered pairing them with an EK totem build, to see how that might work, though you loose the spell echo unless you're relying on the phantasms more than the totem to deal the damage. Avoid Sire of Shards... while fun, it's more funny (a joke) than useful.

If I understand correctly, the phantasms are minions, so they do not benefit from any of your % increased damage or such.

i find them pretty cool.
using a victarios charity necro aegis build so my summons usually have 3 frency and 3 power charges.
losing shield stats and block leaves me with only buffer tank of like 4k health and around 3k ES so i use a mix of spirit offering / desecration / life flask to stay alive
and direct my minions with self cast summon skeletions to the next pack of mobs.

i also use a abyss jewel with % chance to taunt for minions
so i like to have LOTS minions so one of them has aggro so i also spam vaal skellys whenever they ready.
11 zombies
3 spectres
10 phantasms
about 10 normal skellies
and about 40 vaal skelleis
i have no idea whats the combined dps is but seeing how fast high health shit is melting it should be somewhat approaching 1 million dps.
with potential for more if sneak in a wrath aura and replace gmp with maybe slower projectiles or something better scaling for single target dps.

phantasm setup atm:

frost sentinels as spectres get linked with
minion speed
minion damage
summon phantasm on kill
GMP

and will give them increased crit once i get a six link vis mortis then frost sents will crit 60%

spirit offering gives em 32% extra chaos damage on top
the whole screen is black and gray from their atacks
convocation gatheres them around you so unless the boss has no phases with pauses in between you can just convocate, desecrate, spirit offering and check the loot 2 seconds later :D

phantasm support works good for me
but i wouldnt link it to anything that has not already minion and projectile synergy

I think the duration of the phantasms is a bit shorter(20 seconds is nice). To differ them from skeletons, they should have more elemental resistances(and skeletons have more physical resistances). One minor problem about them is that the summon spot is right to spot where an enemy is killed, which makes their piercing ranged attack rather weird to see in the heat of the battle(not to mention their fragile existences). If it's more of summoner use, they should be summoned at the summoner's spot; If it's more of a general tanker/mob attractor use, they should have more life and duration, and the current status is in the middle.

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Abdiel_Kavash wrote:

One question, would it be that overpowered if we allowed phantasms to summon more phantasms? Obviously still counting towards the minion limit, but it would allow us to make a self-sustaining death ball of phantasms instead of having to let the main skill/minion get the killing blow all the time.

I'd love this idea. Maybe a future unique jewel can be designated to this, like -

Phantasm Overgrowth
Cobalt Jewel

(20-30)% reduced minion duration
+2 to the maximum number of phantasms
Your phantasms summon phantasms on kill

Are the Phantasms summoned by Summon Phantasm on Kill categorise as minions or not?

I ask this because I was trying a Null's Inclination, Speaker's Wreath Zombie/Skeleton/Animate Weapon build with 6L Tornado Shot in the Body Armour.

My 6L Body Armour links: Tornado Shot + GMP + Pierce + Poison + Culling Strike + Summon Phantasm on Kill.

Extensive testing found the Zombies, Skeletons and Animated Weapons unable to finish killing an enemy. However, the Phantasms WERE in fact finishing off the low health enemies sometimes before I could cull them.

Technically they shouldn't be able to kill anything in that specific scenario if they are in fact a minion.

This makes me curious however. If they are mistakenly not being classed as minions then are any Minion support gems Like Minion Speed and Minion Damage actually affecting them correctly? If not, that could be why they are so lacklustre as a support.