Lioneye's Glare vs Doomfletch Prism
" High end steel rings and amulets have been ridiculously expensive even before this build became fotw. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Nov 8, 2017, 12:20:29 PM
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" The bow itself is reasonably obtainable. Not cheap the way it used to be a few leagues ago, but thirty or forty chaos can get you a Prism. Most folks can manage that. It's the extremely well-rolled, highly specific rares, the 6Ling, the Kaom's hearts, and all the ancillary schyte required to get a DP build out of the garage that spikes the price. You'd think adding Chance to Bleed and giving the build a huge flat-damage modifier, bigger than even Abyssus, would've made Doomfletch's Prism less expensive to build...but nah. You still need godawful expensive Steel Rings, high flat phys in addition to the usual life/resists issues on every piece of gear you can find, most folks try to do the Wise Oak bit which makes gearing an immense hassle, and if you decide to go Abyssus for Zah Most Deepz, you need to engineer intense defensive ability into the build as well. Building a high-end Prism build costs many times more than does building a high-end version of most any other bow. DP can reach potentially higher ceilings but getting to those ceilings requires enormous investment, especially since everybody's bloody doing it right now. Glare, Opus, Chin Sol, hell - even the diehards unwilling to admit that Voltaxic Rift is dead, they can all get their bow for peanuts, and the stuff they need to build around their bow for also peanuts. DP? Peanuts get you jack monkey squat - unless you're sitting on at least 10ex to start, don't even make the character. . .. ...god I miss Voltaxic Rift being good q_q... She/Her
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" This is so well written! Kudos to you. My builds: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2255805
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" Not really. Only if they have high WED (or whatever it's called these days) on top of T0 or T1 flat phys. Got these last league and they cost me 3ex or something. It really wasn't bad. CI meta was real ;) wasn't that bad either. Got it for 6ex if I remember correctly. Maybe I was lucky but life was so non-meta it was quite cheap tbh. Last edited by Frankenberry#0590 on Nov 8, 2017, 3:59:56 PM
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" And how much would those rings cost now on harbo? Replace life with ES and its the same situation last league. You robbed who ever sold those blind, even in a meta where CI was king. max acc/high life/ele flat/flat phys and dual res? Holy shite that's a nice ring. IGN: Arlianth
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" I suppose I did but you have to remember: It really wasn't in high regard in early legacy (later on steel rings became pricey as hell). If I remember correctly most people were doing BV or the EK-nova (which was new at that time) Well to be honest I robbed even more people in Harbinger x) 1ex (For some reason he couldn't sell it even though cold was kind regarded as the bow meta a few days later). <1ex (Annulment + lucky slam with life. I made 4 other quivers this way and sold them each for 500c xD. Massive profits. Early league nobody payed attention to Annulments and exalts were only 30c or something xD) almost perfect Lioneye's. 30c xD Gotta love them day 2 prices ;) Remember those "Lioneye's Glare is a shit bow because of reflect" when it was announced an already fairly decent bow got Far Shot on top of it? I was laughing at those posts and bought a nearly perfect one for next to nothing. I think the same thing happened with my cold ring. People thought it was the usual Doomfletch Prism (which caught a few weeks into legacy) and lightning windripper meta.' I guess my point is this: I always avoid meta builds (okay granted. This league I accidentally did what everyone else was doing but I got there 1 or maybe 2 days ahead of most other bow players) and I end up with pretty good gear. Last league Doomfletch Prism (and Rigwalls Quiver) were for a while a dirty little secret hiding in plain sight xD It was right there but for some reason people didn't go for it. Maybe they wanted legacy RotC or Death's Opus or whatever. It was fairly cheap. Now... not so much. Got popular :D Last edited by Frankenberry#0590 on Nov 8, 2017, 4:48:16 PM
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Which is all well and good, but it's not an attainable goal for a very large majority of slower or newer players. A lot of us have neither the patience nor tolerance for market games like quiver crafting, and for those folks there's not much chance of scooping up the stuff needed for a DP build.
That said: People who say Glare is garbage because of reflect are people who have no business using Lycosidae, i.e. The Single Most Popular Shield of All Time. They are the exact same mod, and yet somehow Lycosidae is a critical build enabler for literally billions of random 1H melee builds that simply find ways to deal with un-Evade-able reflect but Glare is a horrible bow that should never see the light of day again? Yeah, sure guys. Now tell me the other one. Far Shot is...not ideal for the bow because then you are adding a large 'More' modifier to your offscreen damage, but then again I hate offscreening crap anyways. Always more trouble than it's worth. People who know what they're getting into just bolt on some extra reflect mitigation regardless though, and get Far Shot for free. She/Her
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" DP-build? Dark-Pact? No of course not. My point was kind of to aim for non-meta items / builds if you want the cheap stuff. That's kind of just the way things are. Supply and demand. If they don't have the tolerance to craft or play the market (which really isn't a thing that takes up a lot of time btw. It's just a live-search + slamming 1 annulment and from to time an exalt when the annulment succeeds) then don't. It's not like they can't just use something a bit different and be off just fine. There are always cheap alternatives that work just fine. Can't afford a Windripper? Buy the Tempest (it's actually pretty good). Want to go cold? Go Nuro's Harp. Can't afford Lioneye's Glare? Start off with a Chin-Sol or Death's Opus. There are plenty of cheap options out there. Just buy whatever the rest of the player base isn't looking for. Any of these bows are good enough to make builds that can clear T15 maps with a bit of clever building and scaling the right stats in the right item slots. As for the people who thought Lioney's Glare sucked against reflect. I don't know why people wrote it either. Reflect (even off-screen) has never been easier to deal with. My guess is people said it because they remembered how deadly it was years ago and didn't want to give it a chance. Personally I think keeping distance as a bow build is generally superior in my opinion. Especially if you want to level past lvl 95. Unless you want the point blank damage bonus for endgame boss farming there is little reason to point blank (besides Chin-Sol builds). The lack of physical damage reduction makes melee range too risky. And since it's basically impossible to die from off-screen reflect these days Far Shot is pretty damn sexy (you don't need extra protection to survive reflect besides Yugul, +6 max resist flask and Primeval Force unless you crit for 200k per hit). |
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