Lioneye's Glare vs Doomfletch Prism

First of all, thank you Bullshit Builds for doing an episode on Doomfletch: >> [Removed by Support] << Really shows how expensive the build is and impractical it really is. I'm not talking about the build being bad, it's just way too expensive for what it does.

I usually play ranged characters in games and I remember during the Fall of Oriath release, first time when I started playing PoE everyone told me that Doomfletch is meta, OP, best it's a best build etc. everything else just sucks, don't even try. So I was following that build. You can't go wrong with a 150+ page, tested and well reviewed build right? WRONG. I don't think I even got to T10 maps without getting one-shot constantly. I was pretty upset because I've sank 300+ chaos in the build (I know, not much but basically everything I had at the time) and I felt kinda bad because it seemed like random 20 chaos builds were doing much better than me. And then I looked what people actually have been posting in the thread... and it's apparently full of "I'm dying to a random t10 boss, help" posts etc. Oh, well...

I remember I started testing things and different items (like a noob would do) and I remember that I bought a random Lioneye for 1 chaos... suddenly everything felt smoother, faster, 100% hit chance made barrage feel much better etc. I took off abyssus, because it's not a "must have item" in a phys build and it turns out you live much longer when you don't take 50% increased damage from mobs every time... So I focused on going full phys and scaling phys damage and guess what... I did everything that there was to do in the game on a ~ 20 exalt budget (not counting +1 quiver that I bought much later, when I had farmed enough currency). I have posted many videos of me breezing through the content, posted my items etc. You can check it out.

Everyone on PoE discord and reddit has been telling me that Lioneye is a "starter bow" and Doomfletch is the only option bla, bla, bla, when I was a noobie. Turns out that's not the case - It's at least on pair if not a better option for a bow build.

Apparently Doomfletch can't even get 2 mil dps when not using 3000 exalt gear, meanwhile I'm getting 5 mil + with my "poverty items" like Lioneye, Ashrend etc. without any shenanigans like having different weapons for barrage/TS or Abyssus - which is basically mandatory because of Doomfletch scaling.

Thank you again for reading my experiences, thanks to Bullshit Builds and hopefully it saves some new players time and effort.

your post its just bullshit because:
- you dont go on maps with abyssus, that headgear its shaper only
- probably you had like 3.5hp due to not following/understanding the build
- no steel rings
- jewels make quite a difference especially at balancing wise oak and some crit multi
and I can continue with many others things that you didnt use

Im saying this because ahfack`s build its extremely good and the guy put a lot of time in it, achiving 2mil+ dps within 2-3 weeks of league its not easy for all builds, did shaper and uber atziri like "killing rakanishu in normal with a lvl 90 hammerdin" and I`m a filthy casual with 2h/day

good job Ahfack!

Testing and changing the build to your liking is great, people have different playstyles, and most of them work just fine.

Bow builds tend to be squishy vs endgame content, even more with abyssus, and rely more on being mobile and manually dodging, plus eva/dodge and at least decent hp pool. (5k+ imo)

I like to keep builds as cheap as possible, and a common 'mistake' i see when players get to higher tier maps is low level gems, focusing too much on rings with t1 WED since every guide recommends that and thinking that will be enough to just faceroll content, using a Unique chest cause 'guide recommends' but on a 4/5L.

A 6L rare chest with good hp and resists is on average 20-60c, and can carry you through all content easily, 6L is huuuuuge damage increase, focus on 6L unique later, focus on life, resists and stats on your gear so you don't have to pick 10 stat nodes on tree, leave offensive mods for later.

I built my wander this league with a total of 3ex (250c~), including gear AND flasks, and got to roughly 5.7k hp and 1.6m~ burst dps, which is pretty respectable IMO, using all rare gear other than Lycosidae.

Other characters are just as cheap, excluding stuff like Xoph's ammy, Carcass 6L (got lucky with 300~ fusings), always focusing on high hp and resists and making use of master crafts.

Also another common misconception: 'Why does my dps sucks?'
'Because you don't have Opal/Steel rings!!'
Then after that, dude proceeds to buy a Opal ring with 10 life, mana regen, mana on kill, etc...

couldn't agree more - doomfletch prism is vastly overrated.

i wanted to run it as a starter build and work its dps up as i gain currency etc. its very difficult to do because it does take mounds and mounds of currency in order to do just as well as basically any other build out there.

you need things like t1 phys steel rings - well those are fucking expensive. wise oak is expensive early on. abyssus is expensive early on. 5-6 links are expensive early on. hell even doomfletch prism is expensive early on.

i think i got my guy up to t6 maps, then i just gave up. i sold everything and made a wander which farmed every pack with 1 shot. it was much faster and much more dps with much much much less currency than doomfletch was and required. seriously.

once i gained enough currency i went super deep into a ngamahu build, which is also super cheap after like a week into the league, and it was my fastest and easiest build of all time. kitava phases dead instantly. i was farming t15s (including double boss etc) at level 79.
invest a bit more currency that you gather while farming and only playing one build, and im now sitting very comfortably over 5m shaper dps.

i know i won't be making another doomfletch prism build again. i've played this game for a long time, and almost always ranger/evasion builds, and doomfletch prism is one of the worst price/performance builds i've ever touched.

OP where is your 5 mil dps?:) I can only see xMercyMainx bow char with cheap stuff that can maybe reach over 200k barrage dps fully buffed (with max projectiles) ...

I smell some trolling here ...


@ Doom fletch Prism will beat Lioney´s bow only if you know what you´re doing.

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JessicaSc2 wrote:

I did everything that there was to do in the game on a ~ 20 exalt budget.

Apparently Doomfletch can't even get 2 mil dps when not using 3000 exalt gear, meanwhile I'm getting 5 mil + with my "poverty items" like Lioneye, Ashrend etc. without any shenanigans like having different weapons for barrage/TS or Abyssus - which is basically mandatory because of Doomfletch scaling.

Thank you again for reading my experiences, thanks to Bullshit Builds and hopefully it saves some new players time and effort.

Shittalk on doomfletch topics because you failed your version due to spending 5 chaos on it, and later praise (likely?) your own lioneyes build where you run 2x 6 links, +1 proj on quiver, +2 proj helm ench, well rolled jewelry for dmg, 20 ex "budget," "poverty" items. Pretty pathetic..

People get 1 mill shaper dps within a week with doomfletch, and getting 2-3 mill shaper dps later is possible without abyssus and mirror gear...There's no reason to give doomfletch a bad rep for new players when there is absolutely no truth in it.

https://pastebin.com/rxa2bjhp

Here is a nerfed idea of what i was about to run with doomfletch. The big cost here is just kaoms and lioneyes jewel. Other items are quite avg rolls on, expect for my sapphire ring, which i cant even sell for damn 100c last weeks so its not really wanted or high demand of.. Took of dying sun and additional arrows. Still 1,1 mill shaper dps.

I wanted to try out a pure barrage build so only 1 x 6 link was needed and kaoms for higher life pool, but the motivation to play poe at that time ran out and i stopped playing.

You can juice up the char without mirror gear or abyssus and get 4-5 mill normal dps and 2,5m shaper dps. I can also add that my version can change to free up all the barrage jewels for quite hefty dmg boost there as well. Initially i had a pcoc orb setup with curse for easier pchargers vs shaper, but changed to frenzy coh to match your setup slightly, both works, and siege ballista can just be removed from the setup if gem sockets are a lack of.

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Rakiii wrote:

OP where is your 5 mil dps?:) I can only see xMercyMainx bow char with cheap stuff that can maybe reach over 200k barrage dps fully buffed (with max projectiles) ...

I smell some trolling here ...


@ Doom fletch Prism will beat Lioney´s bow only if you know what you´re doing.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2007539

Doomfletch's Prism is a high-currency build. No two ways about it - to get the most out of DP, or even to just push it to where other bows can get to fairly simply, requires a significant investment in flat phys gear and pushing Wise Oak numbers around. DP can put up excellent numbers if you have the currency to sink into it, and players who know the game back to front can likely put up perfectly acceptable numbers even with "starter budget" versions of DP.

...but Lioneye's Glare or Death's Opus will put up better budget-build numbers and scale more smoothly and sensibly than Doomfletch's Prism will, without the requirement to wear a very risky Abyssus helm for best DPS numbers. Lioneye's Glare, Opus, and the rest are not necessarily going to reach the same potential maximum ceiling as DP can, but as Jessica stated, the cost/performance ratio on Doomfletch's Prism is actually rather low. DP benefits more from ludicrous amounts of currency than other builds do, and can be pushed to heights of damage that other bows struggle to achieve, but players who're bad at the Trading Minigame and can't build fifty exalts in a day to buy shit with would indeed be well served with investigating other options for their archers.

There's a world of good bows out there beyond Doomfletch's Prism. Lioneye's Glare is an excellent choice (though the combination of Far Shot and HCBE makes for a character frustratingly prone to offscreening itself against reflect). Death's Opus was far more meta than DP was before Chance to Bleed was released. Chin Sol is still an excellent high-damage bow for trick-build Point Blank archers - nothing is as giggle-worthy as a Chin Sol build with reverse knockback built on Deadeye hoovering enemies inexorably into its Death Zone from three screens away.

DP is hardly the only bow build out there, and it is a very expensive variant. New players looking for easier, smoother, less expensive builds would be better served with a different weapon.

Doomfletch has horrible power for cost ratio from what I've seen.

Well that kind of what happens when a thing becomes popular. It becomes more expensive. Last league when everyone was going ES and Doomfletch was still not so popular I played around with Doomfletch Prism. Back then it was so cheap to make a life-based Doomfletch Prism build I had plenty of currency to buy 30+ well rolled Prism hoping for the +1 arrow corruption. Didn't get it though :(