[3.7] Frosty Duelist - Dual Wielding Frost Blades

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Chris_hueso wrote:

xD i was writing when you were updating the post, keep the good work :D and just 1 thing, i think the nodes that give us life leech are mandatory if we drop warlord marks.

:D

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Potenz0 wrote:

Looks interesting.

I was wondering, though, wouldn't this do well as a Gladiator? Picking Outmatch and Outlast and Blood in the Eyes, Painforged last.

You could drop Maim Support (lose 14% increased and 30% more physical), and replace it with Damage on Full Life (gain 49% more damage).

You'd lose permanent fortify and onslaught, but you'd gain auto-generation of frenzy charges and endurance charges, and auto-application of bleed and maim, albeit only as a %age. But since you're going with multi-strike, I would think everything that mattered would bleeding and maimed or dead anyway.

I'm assuming you'd take the VP version of your tree to ensure full life as much as possible.

What do you think?

Spoiler

Three endurance charges gets you 12% physical damage reduction naturally, and another 10% from Outmatch and Outlast, for 22% physical damage reduction total. Add in 6% reduced damage taken (not just physical damage, and also includes from degen) from bleeding enemies (which should be everything that matters) from Blood in the Eyes. That looks like it stacks up reasonably against fortify, and mainly inferior for Izaro and Guardians where charge generation will be difficult; for ordinary mapping it should be roughly equivalent or better. And for uber tankiness, you can always get all this *and* fortify with a Fortify Support on Whirling Blades.

Meanwhile on the DPS side, the frenzy-charges give 12% more damage; plus another 10% more physical damage at max frenzy charges thanks to Outmatch and Outlast.And your tree passes right by two more frenzy charges too. That's as compared with 75% increased damage and 30% increased physical damage for the Champion. But the Gladiator also gets 50% change to cause bleed, and 60% increased damage against bleeding enemies. The bleed damage also gets scaled on your tree as an ailment - and I consider bleed a defensive measure too, as you can inflict it and then run away and hide :-)

If I'm counting right the Gladiator gets 100% increased attack speed when dual-wielding swords, plus another 12-20% from frenzy charges, as compared with 74% for the Champion, 94% when he's wearing the Perseverance belt - so the Gladiator is as fast, or faster when mapping, and gets to use a rare belt.

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Potenz0 wrote:

Looks interesting.

I was wondering, though, wouldn't this do well as a Gladiator? Picking Outmatch and Outlast and Blood in the Eyes, Painforged last.

You could drop Maim Support (lose 14% increased and 30% more physical), and replace it with Damage on Full Life (gain 49% more damage).

You'd lose permanent fortify and onslaught, but you'd gain auto-generation of frenzy charges and endurance charges, and auto-application of bleed and maim, albeit only as a %age. But since you're going with multi-strike, I would think everything that mattered would bleeding and maimed or dead anyway.

I'm assuming you'd take the VP version of your tree to ensure full life as much as possible.

What do you think?

Spoiler

Three endurance charges gets you 12% physical damage reduction naturally, and another 10% from Outmatch and Outlast, for 22% physical damage reduction total. Add in 6% reduced damage taken (not just physical damage, and also includes from degen) from bleeding enemies (which should be everything that matters) from Blood in the Eyes. That looks like it stacks up reasonably against fortify, and mainly inferior for Izaro and Guardians where charge generation will be difficult; for ordinary mapping it should be roughly equivalent or better. And for uber tankiness, you can always get all this *and* fortify with a Fortify Support on Whirling Blades.

Meanwhile on the DPS side, the frenzy-charges give 12% more damage; plus another 10% more physical damage at max frenzy charges thanks to Outmatch and Outlast.And your tree passes right by two more frenzy charges too. That's as compared with 75% increased damage and 30% increased physical damage for the Champion. But the Gladiator also gets 50% change to cause bleed, and 60% increased damage against bleeding enemies. The bleed damage also gets scaled on your tree as an ailment - and I consider bleed a defensive measure too, as you can inflict it and then run away and hide :-)

If I'm counting right the Gladiator gets 100% increased attack speed when dual-wielding swords, plus another 12-20% from frenzy charges, as compared with 74% for the Champion, 94% when he's wearing the Perseverance belt - so the Gladiator is as fast, or faster when mapping, and gets to use a rare belt.

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WildWombat wrote:

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Chris_hueso wrote:

xD i was writing when you were updating the post, keep the good work :D and just 1 thing, i think the nodes that give us life leech are mandatory if we drop warlord marks.

:D

Hi,

yes, apparently there is limit on leech of 20% of life per second. with non VP we hit that with the vitality void cluster so warlords wasn't adding but with vp it is reached by that single 0.4 life/mana node above iron reflexes :)