Donald Trump and US politics

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Kellog wrote:

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DalaiLama wrote:

That's your job. There's over 300 Violent alt leftists in this thread in the past year alone. See if you can top that, with over 300 violent alt rightists arrested in the past year.

I don't need to prove anything. No one in their right mind would suggest there isn't a faction within Antifa that sees violence as the answer, however, statistics speak for themselves.

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Kellog wrote:

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Marilyn Mayo, senior research fellow for the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said that statistics show that radical leftists have been dramatically less likely to kill people than their counterparts on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Over the past decade, extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists. Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists.

74% right wing extremists, 2% left wing extremists.

So 24% were moderate extremists?

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Kellog wrote:

All deaths attributed to violence of this kind should be condemned, regardless of whether it attributed to left or right.

1) All violence should be condemned, or just the deaths?

2)If all violence isn't to be condemned, then what is your acceptable level of political violence? A punctured lung, a broken arm, a bloodied face, or slap mark that fades away in five minutes or less? Note - that's an IF/THEN conditional question based on your answer to 1. If you answer is all violence, than the question does not apply.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

statistics speak for themselves.

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Marilyn Mayo, senior research fellow for the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said that statistics show that radical leftists have been dramatically less likely to kill people than their counterparts on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Over the past decade, extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists. Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists.

I'm disinclined to trust the judgment of the group that classified Pepe the frog as a hate symbol.

Pepe is a children's book hero!

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DalaiLama wrote:

1) All violence should be condemned, or just the deaths?

2)If all violence isn't to be condemned, then what is your acceptable level of political violence? A punctured lung, a broken arm, a bloodied face, or slap mark that fades away in five minutes or less? Note - that's an IF/THEN conditional question based on your answer to 1. If you answer is all violence, than the question does not apply.

Thought I'd already said all violence.

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鬼殺し wrote:

You keep saying 'alt left' when what you really mean is 'extreme left', 'hard left' or 'aggressive left' or good old 'anti-fascist'. What they believe in, moderate left also typically believe in.

The people on the left don't all believe the same thing, though they frequently share many beliefs in common. If they were actually as unified as the MSM likes to portray them, they would have a slam dunk in every election, and all the politicians running for democrat would have the same positions.

Witness the angry internal debate going on right now about whether the DNC should incorporate some pro-life elements in their platform.

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鬼殺し wrote:

As for the escalation in violent reactions? That's easy to trace. It's sort of scary when the future president openly endorses and encourages violence against your movement. Which he did. On multiple occasions. And scared people, as the prequels made clear in their own stilted eloquence, easily become angry people.

That paints a cohesive picture, but it isn't a photograph and could never be one, because the recent surge in violence began when Soros started funding BLM. It was a prelude - an opening salvo to get the democratic base fired up for the upcoming elections.

Unless Donald Trump has a time machine, he didn't go back in time to inspire this:



Oddly enough, the violent BLM just sort of evaporated after Trump won the election and Soros had nothing to gain from continuing to fund them.

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Kellog wrote:

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DalaiLama wrote:

1) All violence should be condemned, or just the deaths?

2)If all violence isn't to be condemned, then what is your acceptable level of political violence? A punctured lung, a broken arm, a bloodied face, or slap mark that fades away in five minutes or less? Note - that's an IF/THEN conditional question based on your answer to 1. If you answer is all violence, than the question does not apply.

Thought I'd already said all violence.

If you did, I must have missed it. Thank you for clarifying it.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Oh, and regarding the arrest statistics: only an idiot would fail to acknowledge the concept of degree when it comes to crime.

In the crimes of those listed/attributed- there was a stabbing in the hand, a metal pipe to the head that will require over a dozen stitches, there was one stabbed to death, 2 shot and killed, and assorted other violent crimes serious enough to warrant a felony.

Moreover, there is a large swathe of society that not only thinks it is ok to act as a violent mob, but is starting to do it. The mob is beginning to think that whatever they want is what the government should be. We've seen what happens to societies and nations where the rule of law breaks down. Chinese history is essentially an example of why you don't let the mob get the upper hand. ISIS is another great example of what occurs with destabilization. Who is it that funds and advocates the collapse of governments so that globalism can take over?

Soros.

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鬼殺し wrote:

As Kellog pointed out, the bulk of serious assaults and murders linked to political inclination can be attributed to the right. A thousand people arrested for destroying public property or protesting aggressively to get their point across are still to me far less accountable than one person shooting another for their views.

The the shooting of five people in Dallas (while Obama was still president) by the Alt-Left should be at least as important as one person killed in Charlottesville, since it was conducted by a trained soldier of the NBPP, a designated hate group by the SPLC.

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DalaiLama wrote:

That paints a cohesive picture, but it isn't a photograph and could never be one, because the recent surge in violence began when Soros started funding BLM. It was a prelude - an opening salvo to get the democratic base fired up for the upcoming elections.

I can't believe you played the Soros card. There really is no hope for you at all; you've been completely consumed by ridiculous conspiracy theories. Seriously, perhaps a little less Breitbart and more Pepe the frog.

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鬼殺し wrote:

You keep saying 'alt left' when what you really mean is 'extreme left', 'hard left' or 'aggressive left' or good old 'anti-fascist'. What they believe in, moderate left also typically believe in. They're just zealous and violent about it.

I was under the impression that the "moderate left" was for free speech and for freedom of assembly, not against it, but if you say so. Thinking abut it, not even a year ago I recall the "moderate left" (the ones not wearing black masks and hoodies), were already shutting down Nazi Jew speakers like Ben Shapiro & Milo. Dem Nazis...

So, yeah, looks like the terrorists and moderates all believe in the same thing: a leftist police state.

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morbo wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

You keep saying 'alt left' when what you really mean is 'extreme left', 'hard left' or 'aggressive left' or good old 'anti-fascist'. What they believe in, moderate left also typically believe in. They're just zealous and violent about it.

I was under the impression that the "moderate left" was for free speech and for freedom of assembly, not against it, but if you say so. Thinking abut it, not even a year ago I recall the "moderate left" (the ones not wearing black masks and hoodies), were already shutting down Nazi Jew speakers like Ben Shapiro & Milo. Dem Nazis...

So, yeah, looks like the terrorists and moderates all believe in the same thing: a leftist police state.

The fun part is that especially Milo got even more popular because the alt-left tried to shut him down. If he had just done his speech in front of a couple hundred kids nobody would care. Instead he and the alt-left caused meltdowns all over the internet and he got famous. So seeing Berkley as a win for the alt-left makes me chuckle. They always shoot themselves in the foot.

The "alt-left" aka AntiFa existed for decades. Its just looser commies & entitled kids coming out of the woodwork in their Cheguevara pajamas. Or should I say, coming out of mom's basement... :D

92% of left-wing activists live with their parents and one in three is unemployed, study of Berlin protesters finds

In any case, AntiFa can be dealt with easily, you just need to use brutal police force on them - once. They have the bully mentality and will attack and destroy things even more when you let them. The EU has been appeasing these leftist thugs and now they burn down whole cities. Bullies need to be disciplined, there is no other way.

You Americans somehow need to get these thugs in a city where the mayor and administration are not leftist ideologues, so they won't keep the police back. Then use some of that good ol' police brutality on them. They will scare easily, but not come back in greater numbers. Because the welfare check won't be able to cover for a lengthy hospitalization.

If you let this plague fester, they will just encroach on your freedoms more and use political violence to intimidate people. You are already at a stage when everyone who is on the right of the far left, is declared a Nazi. And once people aren't allowed to debate about things, the only next tool they have is violence.