Donald Trump and US politics

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jackof8lades wrote:

1:He speaks whit the info available ,presidents are expected to make a brief statement if something like this happens,so no lies here.
2:You dont know that you are just making shit up now.
3:You have got to be shitting here right.

Also you seem to be completely missing the point of what i said, i said he owned the media(which he did) by telling them how things should work and he was absolutely right in doing so.
All i am concerned whit is the message he gave and i judged that message on its own merrits and that message was right,he could be a cowf***** baby eating cat strangling nazi for all care, that doesn't make those words any less meaningfull or true.

The lie is that he is pretending to be someone he isn't and using that to claim the moral high ground.

He doesn't give two fucks about facts, and he is quick to condemn terror attacks when he wants to. This is even more clear after what happened in Barcelona. Trump has yet to call what happened in Charlottesville a "terror attack", but he did so with Barcelona 3 hours later after it happened.

If you want to believe that an hypocrite making excuses and venting at the media because of the scrutiny that he received when he failed to do his own job right is something admirable then go ahead. I can't set your standards for you.

(BTW, he "waited for the facts" and then got the facts wrong...)
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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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What you guys fail to realize is the Left and Right are NOT the only two choices. It is easy to see that such statements, when uttered by a member of the alt-right, are hypocritical. Indeed, the far right and the far left are two sides of the same coin.

However, when you consider it as four-group system — the far left, the far right, politically active moderates and the politically apathetic, then the truth is clear. The more violent the war between far left and far right becomes, the more dangerous it becomes to be a politically active moderate, as both sides will tend to brand you as enemy; this group shrinks as its members disperse towards the other three groups. The loss of moderate voices further fuels extremism which further pushes moderates away; the cycle of violence gains critical mass. Sooner or later moderates seemingly disappear from politics altogether, too worried about backlash to be politically active and thus silenced. In the end, maybe the far left wins, maybe the far right wins, doesn't really matter... either way lies dictatorship and the death of millions of people.

We know this, because history.

The alt-right prepares gleefully for upcoming race war. I do not share their enthusiasm, but I am beginning to agree with their prognosis. I fear what they hope for.

For a long time in the US, the Democratic Party was associated with liberalism. This is no longer the case. Political correctness now demands censorship, deplatforming, and the use of violence against dissenting speech. The Democratic Party has gone sharply left of where it previously was, away from liberalism and towards the postmodernist deconstruction of protocommunism.

What we need is a return to the now-centrist liberal values. We need to tolerate (but not necessarily accept) diversity of opinion and promote that tolerance by defending free speech. We need to oppose those who use their power to silence voices they don't agree with instead of defending their positions on their merits, regardless of whether we agree or disagree with what the speaker has to say. We need to have not a war of weapons but a contest of ideas, where it is write and not might that makes right.

You need to stop punching Nazis and talk with them, before it's too late. Words or swords — those are the two choices before us. The contrast is stark.

This person also don't think Nazis should be given a voice.

I disagree with this idealistic approach that "people should talk with Nazis". No, I don't think normal people should talk with any kind extremists, I don't think a baker, taxi driver, a engineer, a farmer, or a construction worker should go around listening to Nazis and talking to them. They are not prepared to deal with that, and trying to do it only normalizes extremism.

How many of you tried to talk with Islamic extremists? If you knew someone was hell bent on joining ISIS would you send a son or a daughter to "talk them out of it"?

Normal people isn't equipped to deal with this. Professionals and help groups might, but the best thing someone normal can offer to someone that has already been radicalized is scrutiny. If someone tattooed a swastika on their forehead or is obsessed with genocide, don't talk with the fucker, he is not confused, he is insane.

There is only one group called "Life After Hate" that is focused on trying to rehabilitate violent extremists(BTW they were given founding by the Obama Administration before he left office but Trump took away that funding). I bet they can do a better job on converting a skinhead into normalcy than anyone here.

If anyone is honestly concerned about "fixing" nazis, you guys should consider helping this group in some way, like promoting them or anything.



Now about violence between the left and right, I don't think that the idealistic approach that "we just need to not start fights and everything will be ok" works.

We are talking about two large groups of people here, it's inevitable that some people will try to make things violent. What people needs to do to not make things escalate is to stop blaming the whole group for the acts of few.

We have to accept scumbags will be scumbags, and political views it's not what makes one a scumbag (BTW Nazis are scumbag by default).

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I wonder if Trump saw these:

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鬼殺し wrote:

I'd say you took the bait but Scrotie didn't even bother hiding the hook there.

If by taking the "bait" you mean the part I condemn extremism? Even when it's Islamic? Why wouldn't I do that?

Someone paying attention will know that I mentioned ISIS not muslims in general. When talking about violence between the left and right I said that I believe it's best to not blame the whole group by the actions of few.

I don't think I said anything I regret, and I don't think my approach is the same right wing people is having right now.

There is not much to talk with Nazis, the same as there is not much to talk with Communists or Islamists.

The problem is that the so called "liberals" designate everyone as a "nazi", just so that they can ignore or attack him/her. You don't want your heritage to be erased in a Bolshevist-Communist style? You're a Nazi. You don't want mass immigration from 3rd world low-IQ dumpsters? Nazi. You think there are only two genders? Yup, literally Adolf.

Meanwhile the Trucks of Peace keep plowing infidels and the amount of centrist & right-leaning people that still give a shit about debating the deranged left, is dwindling.

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morbo wrote:

There is not much to talk with Nazis, the same as there is not much to talk with Communists or Islamists.

The problem is that the so called "liberals" designate everyone as a "nazi", just so that they can ignore or attack him/her. You don't want your heritage to be erased in a Bolshevist-Communist style? You're a Nazi. You don't want mass immigration from 3rd world low-IQ dumpsters? Nazi. You think there are only two genders? Yup, literally Adolf.

Meanwhile the Trucks of Peace keep plowing infidels and the amount of centrist & right-leaning people that still give a shit about debating the deranged left, is dwindling.

What is the point of debating if you're staying rooted at this spot and he is not moving from there. You ended up in gridlocked. Plowing through each other is more constructive I say. I invoke the ancient laws of trial by combat, the winner of the fight can proclaimed to be right.

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morbo wrote:

There is not much to talk with Nazis, the same as there is not much to talk with Communists or Islamists.

The problem is that the so called "liberals" designate everyone as a "nazi", just so that they can ignore or attack him/her. You don't want your heritage to be erased in a Bolshevist-Communist style? You're a Nazi. You don't want mass immigration from 3rd world low-IQ dumpsters? Nazi. You think there are only two genders? Yup, literally Adolf.

Meanwhile the Trucks of Peace keep plowing infidels and the amount of centrist & right-leaning people that still give a shit about debating the deranged left, is dwindling.

Nonsense.

American Republicans e.g. are much more right leaning than German conservatives. Still I would not come to the idea to call them Nazis, ofc not.

You called me "Antifa" not too long ago. Well, ofc I am against fascism and Nazism, but I am certainly not a militant Anarchist or left wing extremist.

3rd world and low IQ, hm ? One of the things why I think, you are definitely a racist...

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

I am certainly not a... left wing extremist.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

...you are definitely a racist

this thread in a nutshell...

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cipher_nemo wrote:

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pneuma wrote:

It's just another twitter racist. Deposit posts in nearest garbage bin where they belong.

Yup, agreed.

As for the article, a lot of overly opinionated mental flagellation.

@cipher_nemo You left wing extremist!!

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

You called me "Antifa" not too long ago. Well, ofc I am against fascism and Nazism, but I am certainly not a militant Anarchist or left wing extremist.

I did, but only because you insinuated I'm some kind of altright white supremacist, before that :)

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

3rd world and low IQ, hm ? One of the things why I think, you are definitely a racist...

Yup, low IQ. Especially in Africa and the Middle East, which are the two regions that are contributing the most of the "migrants" into Europe. And the two regions with sky high fertility rates and armed conflicts, also.

World ranking of countries



Facts can't be racist.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Upandatem wrote:

"If you hadn't punched my friend in the face I wouldn't have had to vote for them and this country wouldn't have become a National Socialist Dictatorship! It's not my fault!"

- An Idiot, looking to escape accountability.

What you guys fail to realize is the Left and Right are NOT the only two choices.

I know that very well, thank you very much. My point was that wanting to distance oneself from the likes of AFA is a terrible reason to offer one's support to nazis. Partially because (just as you say) these are not the only choices. Mainly because I happen to think they're worse by at least some orders of magnitude.

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You need to stop punching Nazis and talk with them, before it's too late. Words or swords — those are the two choices before us. The contrast is stark.

I have, through a strange turn of events, been partially involved in befriending one at one point long ago. Took less than 6 months for him to renounce that ideology. Admitedly, another friend of mine played a much bigger role, but at least I didn't ruin everything by chasing the guy away with cobblestones. Counts for something I suppose.