Donald Trump and US politics

I find the feud between Amash and Trump fascinating. Amash is one of the best politicians by vote record, nearly on a Rand/Ron Paul level... Yet he is an adamant NeverTrumper. The only thing socialist about Amash is perhaps a deep-seated and irrational wariness of billionaires.

Heh...

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Laurium wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

Really, first it was "Obama will take your guns!!!", Obama is gone, guns aren't selling as well as before... "Scary libruls are taking over the country!!"

That's a fantastic way of misreading the sentiment of gun owners in the U.S.

I'm not sure if you are talking about me or the video, just to be clear I was talking about the NRA. They will fan the flames of division if that means more guns will be sold.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Anyway best answer I can give without ban and censorship is Media has lied from day one. from 17 intel agencies saying Russia did interference to 3 say so today. Intel agencies all lie too. Thats false "intel" got us into Iraqi briar patch. So I dont believe what either say.

The very fact that US somehow needs 17 "intel" agencies, is humorous... Talk about inefficeint government. Last year in Syria there was an instance, when two "moderate islamist" groups, both sponsored by US, started to fight each other over turf & loot. The funny thing was that one was sponsored by the Pentagon, the other by CIA, as separate programs. US was in a proxy war with itself, lol :))

The lying corporate media (CNN, NYT, etc.) all have bloody hands. They've helped to realize all the past wars, by perpetuating lies and propaganda. The Russia thing is a non-news, CNN and others simply know that there are many thirsty liberals who would drink from their cesspit, as long as it gives a tiny hope.

Tastes like corporate urine, but its all we got :)

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Basically, Trump is a hot marketing niche for the dying legacy media right now. It sells. Which should be filed under God Emperor creating jobs ;)

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soneka101 wrote:

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Laurium wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

Really, first it was "Obama will take your guns!!!", Obama is gone, guns aren't selling as well as before... "Scary libruls are taking over the country!!"

That's a fantastic way of misreading the sentiment of gun owners in the U.S.

I'm not sure if you are talking about me or the video, just to be clear I was talking about the NRA. They will fan the flames of division if that means more guns will be sold.

The NRA isn't an association of gun sellers. Co-opted by them? Yeah, I think that's fair.

There is, or at least should be, a distinction between news and advertising. People whose job it is to market guns (or emergency food rations, etc) are inclined to point to the chance that the end could very well be high, civilization fall apart, martial law instated, etc. And as long as they're relatively open about what their job is, and correspondingly what their bias is, I don't have a problem with them making such arguments in the public sphere.

The problems start to begin when advertisements get disguised more thoroughly as news. And if the NRA had a much more vague name and called itself a think tank instead of a gun owners' association, well, that would be worrying. Or if self-proclaimed "impartial" media outlets reported NRA press releases copypasta as if they were real news, without clearly attributing the source. (I don't have issue with media outlets that are upfront about their biases.)

But they're the National fucking Rifle Association. Of course they want people to buy guns.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The NRA isn't an association of gun sellers. Co-opted by them? Yeah, I think that's fair.

There is, or at least should be, a distinction between news and advertising. People whose job it is to market guns (or emergency food rations, etc) are inclined to point to the chance that the end could very well be high, civilization fall apart, martial law instated, etc. And as long as they're relatively open about what their job is, and correspondingly what their bias is, I don't have a problem with them making such arguments in the public sphere.

They are maligning a group of people to do so man... Imagine that instead of doing what they did, it was a video directed to muslims instilling fear of Donald Trump and conservatives. Imagine a gun magazine telling people "Donald Trump and his supporters will round you up, what are you going to do? Have you heard that the amount of hate crimes increased this year? What are you going to do? Join us, we will fight this together!"

If their argument was "You don't know when you will need and Yadda Yadda", IMO it would be ok, but they are painting a target at the back of other people.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

But they're the National fucking Rifle Association. Of course they want people to buy guns.

I'm condemning the means.

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soneka101 wrote:

They are maligning a group of people to do so man... Imagine that instead of doing what they did, it was a video directed to muslims instilling fear of Donald Trump and conservatives. Imagine a gun magazine telling people "Donald Trump and his supporters will round you up, what are you going to do? Have you heard that the amount of hate crimes increased this year? What are you going to do? Join us, we will fight this together!"

Sounds mostly like speculation about the future, which is fair game. If hate crime statistics hadn't risen that year, that would be a near-lie, but technically it's a question, not a statement. Fair advertising.

It's worth noting that, normally, stating predictions with an air of certainty and being horribly wrong about them damages one's credibility. For example, after Nov 8th 2016, I'm confused why anyone would trust CNN's predictions regarding the Georgia special election.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Sounds mostly like speculation about the future, which is fair game. If hate crime statistics hadn't risen that year, that would be a near-lie, but technically it's a question, not a statement. Fair advertising.

It's worth noting that, normally, stating predictions with an air of certainty and being horribly wrong about them damages one's credibility. For example, after Nov 8th 2016, I'm confused why anyone would trust CNN's predictions regarding the Georgia special election.

I'm appalled(not really).

NRA selling guns with scaremongering = appalling

Global warming activists selling you governmental programs with doomsday scenarios = good strategy

One is a voluntary exchange, the other is forced on you.

Hey, is Al Gore still living in a beachfront multi-million villa? Doesn't he fear drowning in the rising sea levels?

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morbo wrote:

NRA selling guns with scaremongering = appalling

Global warming activists selling you governmental programs with doomsday scenarios = good strategy

One is a voluntary exchange, the other is forced on you.

Hey, is Al Gore still living in a beachfront multi-million villa? Doesn't he fear drowning in the rising sea levels?

One vilifies fossil fuel, the other vilifies law abiding citizens. I could go on in this discussion but I think that point alone is enough. I won't stray from the topic any further.