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Posted bysoneka101#4659on May 21, 2017, 5:23:34 PM
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what was that last picture? what are they doing around the Palentir?
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Posted bydiablofdb#3816on May 21, 2017, 5:30:11 PM
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Turns out that the guy is a spineless sellout after all. Any and all moves made by Trump revolve around things that will fill his bank account when this presidential farce is over.
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Posted byDeletedon May 21, 2017, 6:34:30 PM
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Obama had a similar package ready to go and then was like, wait, shit, you're doing *what* with the weapons? And then he went into full lecture mode and surprise, surprise, no one in Saudi Arabia really wanted to talk to him anymore.
Obama didn't have that much of a problem selling arms for the entirety of his admin (notably while HRC was SoS) until this arms deal that was drawn up in September 2016 and was put on hold in December 2016 (i.e. a month before he leaves office); the same one that Trump has just now continued.
It's pretty safe to say this deal was a foregone conclusion given our choices. Being warhawks and wanting more domestic surveillance were the two places that both HRC and DJT agreed upon, even during the debates.
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I don't feel bad at all for anyone that voted for Trump and expected him to not continue the war profiteer status quo.
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Posted bypneuma#0134on May 21, 2017, 6:39:09 PMAlpha Member
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The_Reporter wrote:
Turns out that the guy is a spineless sellout after all. Any and all moves made by Trump revolve around things that will fill his bank account when this presidential farce is over.
Was anyone in this thread really surprised at him doing this and all the other stupid stuff? Lol.
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Posted byDeletedon May 21, 2017, 6:40:52 PM
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Bullshit. Tulsi even wants to pass a anti terrorism funding bill. Obviously low chances of it passing but still.
Seconding that 'bullshit'. Obama had a similar package ready to go and then was like, wait, shit, you're doing *what* with the weapons? And then he went into full lecture mode and surprise, surprise, no one in Saudi Arabia really wanted to talk to him anymore.
Suddenly a volatile, seal-the-deal-no-matter-what businessman is in charge and equally surprising, he's ready to get America back to when it was Great (by his fucked up definition of great, which leaves everyone he doesn't define as 'America' not so great), which was when it was basically when it was a nation fueled by war profiteering.
Out rolls the red carpet in Saudi Arabia; down bows the man who criticised others for doing the very same. Gotta show respect, folks, because they're the ones with the money we need to be Great again. And we're the ones with the weapons they need to...well, shit, who cares? They tell us they're gonna use 'em to bomb the shit out of ISIS, that's good enough for me!
If anyone's played Twilight Struggle, you'll understand why I think this arms deal would be a card for some future version of that game. I'm just not sure if it'd favour blue or red.
Attacking Yemen and sending more terrorists into Syria is more like it. Trump really does MAGA. MAGA as in put it where all idiotic GOP war mongerers wanted it. Not that Hillary would be that much better in this regard theyre exactly the same but with her, america would be better off.
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Posted byDeletedon May 21, 2017, 6:42:32 PM
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It's pretty safe to say this deal was a foregone conclusion given our choices. Being warhawks and wanting more domestic surveillance were the two places that both HRC and DJT agreed upon, even during the debates.
With this I agree. And being the smug ex-American, currently Australian resident that I am, I'd go further and say war profiteering is fucking genetic with you lot. If you're not playing Global Police you're playing Global Dealer.
The key is the word 'global'. Of all the fronts on which I find Trump a hypocrite, the whole 'build a wall/let's make a deal' dichotomy is the big one. He wants to appear exclusionist and nationalistic, MAGA and all that, and has said some fucking stupid things in that regard...but as a businessman he knows that if America is his business, it can't do diddly squat if other businesses (i.e. other countries) aren't working with it. So he sold a lie of 'MAGA' to the disenfranchised Rust Belt, the racist jingoists, and whoever else was dumb enough to think he wasn't going to treat America like his own business. And it wasn't that he was particularly good about it either. People were just that desperate to get off the ultra-liberal train wherein a black man who was entirely too slick and had a Muslim middle name was their president, people who can't decide if they're men or women get super special treatment, and nothing, NOTHING, was American Made anymore.
...I think if Trump had his way, and he may yet get it, his idea of ' American made' would be engraved on a whole bunch of bullets and guns shipped around the world from all those happy and healthy, well-employed small town American folks. See, Pop, he didn't forget you after all!
The irony that even the Trump MAGA merchandise wasnt even made in murica.^^
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Posted byDeletedon May 21, 2017, 7:28:24 PM
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The key is the word 'global'. Of all the fronts on which I find Trump a hypocrite, the whole 'build a wall/let's make a deal' dichotomy is the big one. He wants to appear exclusionist and nationalistic, MAGA and all that, and has said some fucking stupid things in that regard...but as a businessman he knows that if America is his business, it can't do diddly squat if other businesses (i.e. other countries) aren't working with it. So he sold a lie of 'MAGA' to the disenfranchised Rust Belt, the racist jingoists, and whoever else was dumb enough to think he wasn't going to treat America like his own business.
I've a question about this. If you hear someone referred to as "independent" or as an "individualist," do you assume that person forsakes all interaction with other people and lives a life of agriculture and asceticism off in some wilderness? I don't.
What you're doing here is strawmanning nationalism. No one (I hope) thought Trump was promising to hermetically seal the US in a hemisphere-spanning plastic globe. Trump-style nationalism — and Brexit — are not about ostracizing one's nation and pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist; they're about developing enough independence and sovereignty as a nation not to be subservient to the spirit of a one-world government. They're about the republican — little r — idea that one giant "democracy" is not necessarily better than several small ones.
How genuine Trump is about what he said is something I consider up in the air; whether or not he was saying the right things or not, at least regarding the nationalism/globalism issue, isn't.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on May 21, 2017, 8:33:49 PM
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Posted byScrotieMcB#2697on May 21, 2017, 8:27:41 PM
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Kind of hard to strawman when people you're accusing of being extremist use extremist language on a daily basis.
Buuuuut nice try.
Buuuuuuuuut he's more right than you are
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Posted bydiablofdb#3816on May 21, 2017, 9:03:25 PM
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