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Nephalim wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

'big buffs to 1h melee WEAPONS'

there are at least 3 issues in this one sentence alone:

- 6% is not exactly big
- 1h/2h melee DAMAGE is currently pretty well balanced. if you think otherwise i suggest asking GOOD players why it is so (few tips: Disfavor, bad 1h uniques comparing to Disfavor, no useful 1h sword uniques (scaeva bug was actually a 'good' bug)). if you buff 1h weapons up to 2h damage levels - then what is the point of having 2h melee in the game? no block, no speed but the same damage? who cares then.
- weapons IS NOT the problem. it is the 'melee' part that is the problem. you wont solve it by doubling weapon damage and/or introducing yet another ranged flurry or some other crap. you HAVE to gut ranged - you know that but you are affraid.

want to see why damage is not the problem? load normal ledge (so your weapon deals ZILLIONS damaga) with lightning arrow guy and a melee guy. and tell me who does the job better. see - damage is NOT the problem. the SICK AOE/utility disparity is the problem. and you cannot fix it without gutting ranged somehow - be it 'leech from nearby enemies' or 'cannot offscreen' or 'attack can hit 8 enemies maximum' or whatever else. other games did stuff like this just because otherwise there is 0 reason to keep melee in the game.


but most people play ranged - because it is the sensible thing to do given that it is THE BEST way to play this game - and you cannot piss them off. congrats, this is what happens when you let stupid things persist for too long.

Melee and ranged end game clear with remarkable gear is about the same with melee potentially coming out ahead.

Base damage buffs to melee weapons will go A LONG way to bridge the supposed gap.

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sidtherat wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

'big buffs to 1h melee WEAPONS'

there are at least 3 issues in this one sentence alone:

- 6% is not exactly big
- 1h/2h melee DAMAGE is currently pretty well balanced. if you think otherwise i suggest asking GOOD players why it is so (few tips: Disfavor, bad 1h uniques comparing to Disfavor, no useful 1h sword uniques (scaeva bug was actually a 'good' bug)). if you buff 1h weapons up to 2h damage levels - then what is the point of having 2h melee in the game? no block, no speed but the same damage? who cares then.
- weapons IS NOT the problem. it is the 'melee' part that is the problem. you wont solve it by doubling weapon damage and/or introducing yet another ranged flurry or some other crap. you HAVE to gut ranged - you know that but you are affraid.

want to see why damage is not the problem? load normal ledge (so your weapon deals ZILLIONS damaga) with lightning arrow guy and a melee guy. and tell me who does the job better. see - damage is NOT the problem. the SICK AOE/utility disparity is the problem. and you cannot fix it without gutting ranged somehow - be it 'leech from nearby enemies' or 'cannot offscreen' or 'attack can hit 8 enemies maximum' or whatever else. other games did stuff like this just because otherwise there is 0 reason to keep melee in the game.


but most people play ranged - because it is the sensible thing to do given that it is THE BEST way to play this game - and you cannot piss them off. congrats, this is what happens when you let stupid things persist for too long.

Melee and ranged end game clear with remarkable gear is about the same with melee potentially coming out ahead.

Base damage buffs to melee weapons will go A LONG way to bridge the supposed gap.

are you sure? because i simply do not believe that.

what will clear merc dried lake quicker? ranged spellcaster/archer or melee guy? merc dried lake is nice test because it nicely simulate red maps with bonkers gear. who has higher chance of dying? who will clear faster? who can faster reach the 'ebough' damage level?

it is a simple metric of damage×target hit. ranged archer with sub 1ex budget will run circles around melee. mostly because melee has to gear for defences as well. archers can skip most of it.

at the top end both have similar defences but aoe clear of ranged is simply superior


this change will change absolutelly nothing.. while avoiding real issues and creating yet another problems.

current situation is most likely irreversible. ranged were superior for too long and it is now 'standard' that cannot be changes without riots.

ps. ggg is no longer indie. it is nice trick to exploit their indie past so they can be excused. but it simply is no longer true