[2.4] CoC discharge with Cospri's Malice - still a good build(easy Uber Atziri,leech works fine)

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MoonAvalon wrote:
Your Build Really Looks Nice and Can Compete again the Old CoC Discharge i think. Thanks for your idea it could be alive again as CoC discharge is my all time favourite build, but I need to make sure of something first, This Weapon Doesn`t follow CoC gem Rules Right? I mean No Cooldown between Casts (0.5s for the spell in CoC). I saw it in video comparing to CoC it seems that i'm right but i want to make sure.
Also i got few things i need to say:
-I'd drop Increased duration for FasterAttacks/Fortify
-Does it really worth all the investment of nodes to the sword nodes only for crit? ... i guess there could be something better, i'll think about it aswell but about
-I think with more investment there's chance to drop maybe additional accuracy for FasterAttacks/Fortify
to have optimum damage and defence aswell


The cooldown for malice procs is 100ms (just like mjolner).
No its not worth going for the sword crit nodes nor is it worth going for the Heartseeker nodes imho. You can pretty much use the old patch 2.3 coc discharge skill tree except that you don´t take the Dagger crit nodes. With a diamond flask you should be around 75% crit chance for cyclone anyways which is plenty considering that you proc discharge on EVERY melee crit and not like coc used to do it at x% chance.
What? i thought mjolnir now has 500ms colldown too?
My IGN: ExaltedPetyrBaelish.
Nope. The cast triggers from items (Mjolner, new helm, Cospri's) are all 100ms.
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fps916 wrote:
Nope. The cast triggers from items (Mjolner, new helm, Cospri's) are all 100ms.[/quote345]

omg Sweet
My IGN: ExaltedPetyrBaelish.
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fps916 wrote:
Nope. The cast triggers from items (Mjolner, new helm, Cospri's) are all 100ms.[/quote345]

omg Sweet
My IGN: ExaltedPetyrBaelish.
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MoonAvalon wrote:
Your Build Really Looks Nice and Can Compete again the Old CoC Discharge i think. Thanks for your idea it could be alive again as CoC discharge is my all time favourite build, but I need to make sure of something first, This Weapon Doesn`t follow CoC gem Rules Right? I mean No Cooldown between Casts (0.5s for the spell in CoC). I saw it in video comparing to CoC it seems that i'm right but i want to make sure.
Also i got few things i need to say:
-I'd drop Increased duration for FasterAttacks/Fortify
-Does it really worth all the investment of nodes to the sword nodes only for crit? ... i guess there could be something better, i'll think about it aswell but about
-I think with more investment there's chance to drop maybe additional accuracy for FasterAttacks/Fortify
to have optimum damage and defence aswell

yeah as answered previously - Malice has 100ms ICD pretty much like mjollnir instead of 500 of CoC gem

- I would like to drop inc.duration for faster attacks and leave add.accuracy gem also but have you tried chroming voll's protector for 5 green? It's absolutely disgusting

-I'm not sure about all those crit sword nodes but without them I have around 35-ish % crit chance which is really low because WE DON'T USE VAGAN DAGGER and this is really huge for our crits. We miss a lot and even if we don't miss the crit also rolls on our accuracy so if accuracy is low - we hit but do not crit.
Accuracy , wiki quote

Accuracy
Accuracy measures the chance for an attack to hit. Accuracy-dependent attacks make a second accuracy check to confirm the critical strike. If the check fails only a normal hit is dealt. Thus accuracy can play an important role in quantity of critical strikes.[

-Without add.accuracy gem i'm at around 75% chance to hit which is very low so gem is a must at the moment. Rings with additional t1 accuracy roll and stats that I need on both will be tough and pretty expensive to get , but as I said - this is just a concept of a build and still need a lot of optimizing.Both gear and tree- related.
You can pick up the Accuracy/Crit nodes at the shadow start or the crit nodes near RT (+1 the endurance charge), both are better than the sword crit nodes IMHO.

Another way would be switching from Trickster to Assassin with 2x -8 rings.

Why aren't you using vinktar's ? 20% leech is awesome.

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MoonAvalon wrote:
Your Build Really Looks Nice and Can Compete again the Old CoC Discharge i think. Thanks for your idea it could be alive again as CoC discharge is my all time favourite build, but I need to make sure of something first, This Weapon Doesn`t follow CoC gem Rules Right? I mean No Cooldown between Casts (0.5s for the spell in CoC). I saw it in video comparing to CoC it seems that i'm right but i want to make sure.
Also i got few things i need to say:
-I'd drop Increased duration for FasterAttacks/Fortify
-Does it really worth all the investment of nodes to the sword nodes only for crit? ... i guess there could be something better, i'll think about it aswell but about
-I think with more investment there's chance to drop maybe additional accuracy for FasterAttacks/Fortify
to have optimum damage and defence aswell

Yeah cooldown of Cospri's Malice is only 100ms.,compared to CoC which is 500ms. :)
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SuperSaiaJin wrote:
You can pick up the Accuracy/Crit nodes at the shadow start or the crit nodes near RT (+1 the endurance charge), both are better than the sword crit nodes IMHO.

Another way would be switching from Trickster to Assassin with 2x -8 rings.

Why aren't you using vinktar's ? 20% leech is awesome.


You need base accuracy on gear to make those nodes worth picking and the only pieces available is rings and helmet. Anyway if you'll manage to chrome 5green on chest you will be able to socket in faster attacks instead of inc.duration and leave add.acuracy gem since survivability is not the main problem for a build right now and you don't really need a fortify.And it'll be way easier than buying godly rings and another 450+es helmet with accuracy roll.

Yes i'm thinking about going assassin and removing voidbringers for some good rare gloves or facebreakers , crit. multi would be dirty , like 650+%. Ele reflect rares here I come LUL.
I'll test assassin as soon as I have spare time and post my thoughts and results

Because you can feel the lack of leech only on tough bosses , on packs and during general mapping it is not a problem.And on bosses you can use vinktar only once which is not enough given that damage went down quite noticeably and it takes more time to kill them. But if you really want to - you can swap silver flask for a vinktar, leaving LL gem and warlords mark as it is , why not?
Last edited by ssMETALURGss#3588 on Sep 7, 2016, 4:08:43 AM
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ssMETALURGss wrote:
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MoonAvalon wrote:
Your Build Really Looks Nice and Can Compete again the Old CoC Discharge i think. Thanks for your idea it could be alive again as CoC discharge is my all time favourite build, but I need to make sure of something first, This Weapon Doesn`t follow CoC gem Rules Right? I mean No Cooldown between Casts (0.5s for the spell in CoC). I saw it in video comparing to CoC it seems that i'm right but i want to make sure.
Also i got few things i need to say:
-I'd drop Increased duration for FasterAttacks/Fortify
-Does it really worth all the investment of nodes to the sword nodes only for crit? ... i guess there could be something better, i'll think about it aswell but about
-I think with more investment there's chance to drop maybe additional accuracy for FasterAttacks/Fortify
to have optimum damage and defence aswell

yeah as answered previously - Malice has 100ms ICD pretty much like mjollnir instead of 500 of CoC gem

- I would like to drop inc.duration for faster attacks and leave add.accuracy gem also but have you tried chroming voll's protector for 5 green? It's absolutely disgusting

-I'm not sure about all those crit sword nodes but without them I have around 35-ish % crit chance which is really low because WE DON'T USE VAGAN DAGGER and this is really huge for our crits. We miss a lot and even if we don't miss the crit also rolls on our accuracy so if accuracy is low - we hit but do not crit.
Accuracy , wiki quote

Accuracy
Accuracy measures the chance for an attack to hit. Accuracy-dependent attacks make a second accuracy check to confirm the critical strike. If the check fails only a normal hit is dealt. Thus accuracy can play an important role in quantity of critical strikes.[

-Without add.accuracy gem i'm at around 75% chance to hit which is very low so gem is a must at the moment. Rings with additional t1 accuracy roll and stats that I need on both will be tough and pretty expensive to get , but as I said - this is just a concept of a build and still need a lot of optimizing.Both gear and tree- related.



-I tested the build btw, i even tried without coc bv but i found out that the base damage dealt doesn`t really get high because charges doesn`t get a chance to stack before procs. also tried lowlife version replacing my death door boots for skyforth and voll`s prot for shavronne's and used power charge on crit gem to accumulate 80% power on crit. but it wasn`t really the best.
-I tried without sword nodes and yea u were right .. i got 40% crit chance ... even diamond flask can`t really help good enough. btw lowlife variant is used by LostArtz he is the one who made this unique but he got some better items than mine (rings and gloves) so i think he is doing well with it.
-Last Change and was almost the perfectly one is i used reave instead of cyclone with multistrike and faster attacks, this was the best actually. Lacerate may even do more better because of double hits (this compensates aswell the 25% less attack speed) but didn`t really tested.
Another Thing really worth is Using a Mace in main hand while Cospri's Malice in off-hand but that requires a condition that spells are procced even if in off-hand. because it won`t be used for attacks if we used Ground Slam (it only uses Main Hand) that gives us the chance to use a Vagan's Mace and never care about accuracy anymore (This May be the best Variant But it will lose the defence from Shield).
-Also there's a chance to drop additional accuracy but that requires 2xRings and gloves having 320++Accuracy
-Actually i quit testing atm Cuz after i bought Cospri's Malice i sold it again cuz i got too generous offer after i bought it much cheaper so i decided to flip for now and i`ll buy it back sooner :)
-One Last Thing... I guess Elemental Equilibrium Won`t Work Anymore Due to Added Cold Damage to spells of Cospri's Malice, So I guess that Elreon Rings Are again Required and Going to Inquistor (Maximum Damage Boost and Crit Multiplier) is More Worthy (Specially if we used one of the melee skills other than cyclone because mana cost will be definetly lower so -16mana cost may make us just like a trickster)
-But there's a big issue when dropping cyclone for any other skill, we will be vulnerable again to stuns so we must find a solution about it (I think Unweavering Stance May be Best Choice since, we will drop the nodes along the way to sword btw for its sake, and take the melee crit nodes that are near to staff to compensate).
Last edited by MoonAvalon#0931 on Sep 7, 2016, 3:27:13 PM

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