[2.3] (Trickster) Ethereal Knives MF Build. 8.5k ES, 150k DPS, 200+ IIR, 43 IIQ, Triple Blasphemy

Funny.. fella you have a 6L Shavronne for "MF" builds.. Mf builds supposed to be find better items not having already the top tiers ..its not even a cheap build .. w/e

Thanks for sharing this build, I started fresh and it's been pretty fun leveling this build. I'm not quite sure what i'm missing but i'm only at 65k dps?

Could this be viable at league start using a Solaris Lorica (and without the other expensive items), or is it something I shouldn't consider until I can afford a Shavs?

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habkor wrote:

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bobosayhello wrote:

I just got my Heretic's Veil but I don't quite understand why the gems should be setup like this:

Temporal Chains and Projectile Weakness linked to Enhance. Enfeeble unlinked.

Is this the best setup of curses for this build, why should we let the Enfeeable unlinked?
And if the helmet already comes in 4 links, I need to make it back to 3 links, right?
Also, is there any alternative setup of curses for this build if I don't have the Enhance gem?

Thanks.

Hey, sorry for being unclear about this. Ideally, we would also connect Enfeeble to Enhance, but this is not possible (without adaptions) as it reserves too much mana. Since both Temporal Chains and Projectile Weakness benefit much more from added quality, I chose to keep Enfeeble unlinked.

A Conquerers Efficiency Jewel should let you enhance your 3rd aura. Using the calculator it puts you at 91% reserved vs 92% with your suggested spec.

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Dietrashkid wrote:

Funny.. fella you have a 6L Shavronne for "MF" builds.. Mf builds supposed to be find better items not having already the top tiers ..its not even a cheap build .. w/e

Although I never claimed that this was a budget build, you can easily crush mid tier maps with just a 4L Solaris Lorica. Your definition of Mf builds is wrong: they can be arbitrarily expensive. Still, I financed all my current gear with previous iterations of this build, and I bought the 6L Shavs for 80 Ex back in the day. I have decent gear now, but this was not always the case.

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Duncan542 wrote:

Thanks for sharing this build, I started fresh and it's been pretty fun leveling this build. I'm not quite sure what i'm missing but i'm only at 65k dps?

You are welcome, glad that you were having fun! If you have 65k dps tooltip, you are doing quite well actually. My tooltip at lvl 92 is slightly above 80k. But keep in mind that enemies are auto-cursed with a +40% effectiveness lvl 4 Enhanced 20/20 Projectile Weakness. Effectively, this almost doubles the tooltip damage against all enemies except bosses (about +50%) or curse immune monsters.

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Summoner wrote:

Could this be viable at league start using a Solaris Lorica (and without the other expensive items), or is it something I shouldn't consider until I can afford a Shavs?

Yes, this build is most definitely viable with budget gear. Even with a Solaris Lorica and mid-tier ES items (also substituting the helmet), it's very easy to reach 6-6.5k ES on a Trickster.

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Summoner wrote:

A Conquerers Efficiency Jewel should let you enhance your 3rd aura. Using the calculator it puts you at 91% reserved vs 92% with your suggested spec.

While this is true, I'm pretty sure that this would not be worth the opportunity cost. You are effectively sacrificing one jewel slot (which can easily provide +40% damage or +30% damage and +8% ES) for a ~15% reduction in monster critical strike chance and accuracy rating. Since the build is already very tanky, this seems like a bad tradeoff.

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habkor wrote:

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Summoner wrote:

A Conquerers Efficiency Jewel should let you enhance your 3rd aura. Using the calculator it puts you at 91% reserved vs 92% with your suggested spec.

While this is true, I'm pretty sure that this would not be worth the opportunity cost. You are effectively sacrificing one jewel slot (which can easily provide +40% damage or +30% damage and +8% ES) for a ~15% reduction in monster critical strike chance and accuracy rating. Since the build is already very tanky, this seems like a bad tradeoff.

Once well geared probably not. Early endgame, before you're rich enough to afford multi-ex jewels with 4 good mods maybe; not sure where the cutoff point for that would be. There're a few points while leveling/gearing that it might help, running 3 auras on Prism Guardian with only 20% reduced reservation it lets you run an extra level or two of clarity. I thought I found one or two other breakpoints while levelling where it let me run something extra while keeping the mana pool reasonable; but I didn't record what they were and don't recall what they were now.

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Summoner wrote:

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habkor wrote:

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Summoner wrote:

A Conquerers Efficiency Jewel should let you enhance your 3rd aura. Using the calculator it puts you at 91% reserved vs 92% with your suggested spec.

While this is true, I'm pretty sure that this would not be worth the opportunity cost. You are effectively sacrificing one jewel slot (which can easily provide +40% damage or +30% damage and +8% ES) for a ~15% reduction in monster critical strike chance and accuracy rating. Since the build is already very tanky, this seems like a bad tradeoff.

Once well geared probably not. Early endgame, before you're rich enough to afford multi-ex jewels with 4 good mods maybe; not sure where the cutoff point for that would be. There're a few points while leveling/gearing that it might help, running 3 auras on Prism Guardian with only 20% reduced reservation it lets you run an extra level or two of clarity. I thought I found one or two other breakpoints while levelling where it let me run something extra while keeping the mana pool reasonable; but I didn't record what they were and don't recall what they were now.

The breakpoint I found where Conquerors Efficiency really pays for itself is 3x blasphemy, no Heretics Veil, no enhance/empower. At that point its the difference between 92 and 96 mana reserved; and you're probably not rich enough to have any multi-exalt 4 mod jewels to put in your tree yet either.


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Just wanted to say I've been playing this since the start of essence and it's been awesome. It was pretty tough to get shavronne's, but it makes a huge difference (I ran solaris lorica for a while, and it worked up until about tier 9 maps where I couldn't really handle bosses anymore). I'm running t13 yellow maps now without too much issue, and I don't even have 3 curses, heretic's veil, level 21 EK, or empower, yet.

A couple things that helped me while I was leveling/poor:
* Getting those double curses up and 5 auras makes a huge difference. You should be able to make do with solaris lorica if you're frugal with your gear.
* Use the chaos/regal recipe to get currency early on. Since you have a lot of IIR, you'll be getting lots of rares
* Make sure you're leveling as many EK as you can (including 6 in your alt weapon slots). level 21 EK is a huge difference, and all the failed corrupted EK you can still flip for 5-10 chaos each.
* atziri's flask is cheap and helps with damage and chaos rez, get it early
* make sure the rest of your flasks cover the bad stuff: one for bleed, one for frozen, one for curses, etc.
* Getting your ascendancies make a huge difference. You should be able to solo merciless lab, but if you need to find someone to help you through it.


The only other thing is if you don't like to kite bosses and run around them in circles, this build probably won't be fun for you (unless you're super rich and geared up). Personally, I like how challenging the bosses are. As long as you're good at kiting, most bosses can be cleared without issue (thanks to temp chains).

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fritzendugan wrote:

Just wanted to say I've been playing this since the start of essence and it's been awesome. It was pretty tough to get shavronne's, but it makes a huge difference (I ran solaris lorica for a while, and it worked up until about tier 9 maps where I couldn't really handle bosses anymore). I'm running t13 yellow maps now without too much issue, and I don't even have 3 curses, heretic's veil, level 21 EK, or empower, yet.

I'll second T9 maps as being a wall for a Lorica. Unfortunately I've only got ~4ex networth; leaving me only halfway to a shavs. I'm debating swapping the MF boots for an ES pair; would get me from 5.7 to 6.3k. Not sure if it'd be enough of a boost or not to be worth it though.

Is this still viable?