[2.3 Trickster] 17k+ DoT - ED + Abyssal Cry [Start-Atziri / 2.1 Videos -T12 Village + Atziri]

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aomas wrote:

Hey man, great guide and an interesting build. I'm now at lvl 67 and went for a different route. I've been thinking of taking thick skin and Golem's Blood/(or a melding and save two points?) to get more life %, would u suggest taking arrow dancing or point blank? (does the point blank make a difference with ed?), also some jewel slots would allow me to get +7% life..

And what else would you suggest taking from down there?

That is my passive three at the moment, i've not used any refund points so i can still change the direction and follow your route, my only concern is that i need more damage as i play with friends so more is needed to be worthy in a group.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYCAAMeBAcFtQZwBx4I9A2NDkgRLxGWE20UCRR1Fr8Y2x9BIvQj9iaIJpUrCi0wLiMwcTB8Nj06QjpYPV9JUUt4TINMs02STp9RR1JTUq9Vxlb6W69d8mHiYqxn_GpDaoxsC2yMbRlw1HSBdoJ313p_fyt_xoPbh3aNfY2_kyeTmZUul5WX9J2qotmkwqyYrUqw2LTFtNG1SLcwu027nrzqwFTC7MgMyBTUI91f3ajrY-3X8NX1b_fX-aQ=?accountName=aomas&characterName=AomasTheLegendaryDrier

If i could only get six link from my hyrris ire i would be able to use shield which would solve all the defensive problems i'm facing sometimes at the moment :/

Hey,
First of all thx for the kind words.
Regarding you questions:
1. I saw similar trees like yours that are performing well according to the creators.
2. Point Blank would work but then you would have to be like infront of the mob to benefit from it, therefore i would not recommend it!
3. I got to addmit, that this is a rather bad party build UNLESS you are using the 2nd Variant! In the second variant you are just whirling into packs and casting abyssal cry and as soon as one monster dies by a party member the screen explodes :) Downside is the cooldown but that should increase your parties clearspeed :) Party play is just whirling blades + abyssal cry and for bosses spell totem wither + ed and if the boss rare got adds abyssal cry to meld it :)

Regarding your tree:
1. You skilled malee bleeding and physical dmg over time in the cluster near the duelist area. I highly recommend to spec those 2 points out!.
2. Tree after respec (same points used)
3. Jewels are a great way to improve you build by a hughe amount but please note that good jewels can cost a small fortune :D
4. Heres a ~level 90 skill tree that focus on jewels (5) with your pathing.
5. Imo get golems blood next since its the only life nodes left on the tree. Afterwards I would either go to Antropy (north of shadow) OR you can get the jewel nodes. IMO the jewels should have 7% increased life on each of them. Other mods could be chaos dmg / projectile dmg / dmg over time (in this order) otherwise theres not much left.

I hope that helps you a bit :)

Hey,

Thank you so much for detailed answer, yes i had made a mistake by taking physical dot(not intended). Since i've wrote my post the build has gotten ridiculous, i bought soulthirst cloth belt (15% all ele resistance + 79 life + soul eater while flask duration). I can say now that damage is no more problem ;) nor dying (i have two 7% life jewels waiting for more points).

My biggest problem has been finding flask that would recover low amounts of mana and last long to really live the whole flask duration, so the only flask that is worth mentioning is Zerphi's Last Breath

I gotta say its been a wild roller-coaster after that combination. I tweaked my passive tree according to your advices but chose a bit better path to the Druidic Rite and ditched the thick skin (not worth it imo). (tho i would be more than happy to hear your opinion if the druidic rite 20% flask duration and mana bonuses are worth using points?)

btw. Point Blank seems to be working pretty nicely with 2nd Variation

Here is my lvl 88 Passive Tree


My Gear at the moment (Hyrri's Ire not yet 5 linked so im using other armor until i get lucky)



I'm not really sure but i feel like the Doedre's Scorn is a must have when whirling inside a pack and having Blasphemy + Temporal Chain (free 20% more dmg?) or should i go for something else as a helmet? gimme your opinion really appreciate it!

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@aomas
Hey,
like I said in previous answers before this is just a guide how I build a atziri viable build.
Ofc you can spec Drudic Rite, but IMO its not wort it for just this one flask. Since you are getting life regen from ED + Binos that shouldnt be an issue overall. I got the flask myself but imo its only pretty usefull if you are casting really fast and manage you mana accordingly. since soul eater gives more cast speed there will bea breaking point where you will cast faster as the flask will give you mana. therefore you will loose the plus side of this. i would rather pick up a utility flask like "Quarz Flask" which provides us with even more dodge + the flask duration is fixed and you can benefit from the souleater.
Just play around with the skiltree but sice you are using this belt i dont have to say anything against it but i would rather use a quarz flask for the same effect :)
regarding the curses its up to you. imo the choices are temp chains, enfeeble or Vulnerability
Every setup got its own pro and cons it really depends on you personal preferences!

Hello and first of all thanks for sharing the build.
I like it because it uses a skill and playstyle I have never used before, 2 daggers and Trickster, which I find just awesome. Plus it uses Contagion on CWDT which I find nice because there is no way I use 3 spells manually to kill stuff.

But - of course - I have a few questions. And maybe, just maybe, I don't get the whole concept. So thanks for answering my probably newbish questions in advance.

So.

1. Why do we link Contagion on such a high CWDT gem. I feel it might trigger not often enough. And if it doesn't need to trigger that often: Why use it at all? In my mind I use a much, much lower CWDT and a lower Contagion just to spread Essence Drain. Or is Contagion that important to our damage? It can't be, can it?

2. Do we use poisen gem in the gem setup for double dibs or am I missing something? Because the The Consuming Dark Fiend Dagger already poisons when we deal chaos damage. I ask because we even use poison in the "Abyssal Cry + Increased AOE + Void Manipulation + Poison" gem setup on top of the ED setup.

3. Let's say I use a Tabula Rasa and don't have an Empower, what would be a good 6th gem in the ED setup since you said yourself Poisen really isn't a good gem at all in this.

4. Which kinda adds to 2. In the "Abyssal Cry + Increased AOE + Void Manipulation + Poison" gems, how important is Poison there? I'd really like to put an Item Rarity gem somewhere. If it's not good there, where would it be good?

5. And this is a part I really don't get: In the CWDT setup "CWDT + ED + Contaigon + Increased AOE" there is an ED and I wonder why. Don't we cast that manually with all the buffs and muliplier and what have you gems to spread as big damage around all mobs? What can this little unbuffed ED do?

Well, thanks for answering in advance, again. And I'm sure I'll have more questions when those are answered.

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GrimmGerim wrote:

Hello and first of all thanks for sharing the build.
I like it because it uses a skill and playstyle I have never used before, 2 daggers and Trickster, which I find just awesome. Plus it uses Contagion on CWDT which I find nice because there is no way I use 3 spells manually to kill stuff.

But - of course - I have a few questions. And maybe, just maybe, I don't get the whole concept. So thanks for answering my probably newbish questions in advance.

Thanks for kind words I have to tell you the CWDT is just a small addition and not really that important but more on that topic later ;)

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GrimmGerim wrote:

1. Why do we link Contagion on such a high CWDT gem. I feel it might trigger not often enough. And if it doesn't need to trigger that often: Why use it at all? In my mind I use a much, much lower CWDT and a lower Contagion just to spread Essence Drain. Or is Contagion that important to our damage? It can't be, can it?

Like I wrote in the build-guide, people see contaigon as a dmg spell I - for myself - see it more or less as a "curse" thats only used to spread ED ;)
The main reason why I linked it to a CWDT setup is simple:
I dont really need to but it works. If you need it more often you can link it to a low level one :) But then please note, that the ED linked to it wont do any dmg.
With a high CWDT and it triggers the ED will kill white mobs and spread to others.
Basicly you can do whatever you want with the CWDT setup :)

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GrimmGerim wrote:

2. Do we use poisen gem in the gem setup for double dibs or am I missing something? Because the The Consuming Dark Fiend Dagger already poisons when we deal chaos damage. I ask because we even use poison in the "Abyssal Cry + Increased AOE + Void Manipulation + Poison" gem setup on top of the ED setup.

You can easly swap Poison with Item rarity... otherwise Less duration is a pretty strong more multiplier.

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GrimmGerim wrote:

3. Let's say I use a Tabula Rasa and don't have an Empower, what would be a good 6th gem in the ED setup since you said yourself Poisen really isn't a good gem at all in this.

The poison gem is a old setup from the 2.1 pre "nerf". You are right I would have to test it but you can easly swap it for "pierce" now since its a "more" multiplier and you get PIERCE which should increase the clearspeed and is a huge Quality of Life improvement, because you dont have to aim that perfectly. Another option would be Less duration since its a more multiplier aswell. The dmg is high enough i dont think it would hurt the build that much xD

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GrimmGerim wrote:

4. Which kinda adds to 2. In the "Abyssal Cry + Increased AOE + Void Manipulation + Poison" gems, how important is Poison there? I'd really like to put an Item Rarity gem somewhere. If it's not good there, where would it be good?

(see above)

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GrimmGerim wrote:

5. And this is a part I really don't get: In the CWDT setup "CWDT + ED + Contaigon + Increased AOE" there is an ED and I wonder why. Don't we cast that manually with all the buffs and muliplier and what have you gems to spread as big damage around all mobs? What can this little unbuffed ED do?

Nothing really it kills whitemobs but thats it you can use whatever you want with it :) it jsut had the right socket colour :D

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GrimmGerim wrote:

Well, thanks for answering in advance, again. And I'm sure I'll have more questions when those are answered.

NP if you have any questions regarding the build - feel free to ask.
Since the char is in standard now i think i can test a thing or two with gem setups if i have time for it... :)

Hello,

I am missing an info where to go first on the passive tree and where to go last and what is just the "nice to have"-Topping for the last 15 Points (most people don't get over 85)

thx

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Exportforce wrote:

Hello,

I am missing an info where to go first on the passive tree and where to go last and what is just the "nice to have"-Topping for the last 15 Points (most people don't get over 85)

thx

added a "levling" section i hope it helps ... :)

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XRacKS wrote:

added a "levling" section i hope it helps ... :)

What you think about CI build w/o Acrobatics, but with shield? With this we not need expensive ChRes items, have ~6-8k ES even in SF and insane survivability with Incandescent Heart.
P.S. Thanks for idea with AC, it's reaaly good solution. However, it's require 2 daggers but not dagger+spirit shield, that give some vulnerability therefore, and I don't know how I want to do: change build to 2 daggers or let it be as it is. Maybe you have some advise for me?
P.S.S. i have 6l:
ED-VoidM-Empower-SlProj-RD-ContrDestr. As you see, I haven't any place for poison gem.

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SolarusOne wrote:

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XRacKS wrote:

added a "levling" section i hope it helps ... :)

What you think about CI build w/o Acrobatics, but with shield? With this we not need expensive ChRes items, have ~6-8k ES even in SF and insane survivability with Incandescent Heart.
P.S. Thanks for idea with AC, it's reaaly good solution. However, it's require 2 daggers but not dagger+spirit shield, that give some vulnerability therefore, and I don't know how I want to do: change build to 2 daggers or let it be as it is. Maybe you have some advise for me?
P.S.S. i have 6l:
ED-VoidM-Empower-SlProj-RD-ContrDestr. As you see, I haven't any place for poison gem.

sure there are plenty of CI versions out there and it shouldnt be any problem to go ci with this build insted of picking up the scion life wheel you can easly take the nodes in the witch area!

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XRacKS wrote:

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SolarusOne wrote:

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XRacKS wrote:

added a "levling" section i hope it helps ... :)

What you think about CI build w/o Acrobatics, but with shield? With this we not need expensive ChRes items, have ~6-8k ES even in SF and insane survivability with Incandescent Heart.
P.S. Thanks for idea with AC, it's reaaly good solution. However, it's require 2 daggers but not dagger+spirit shield, that give some vulnerability therefore, and I don't know how I want to do: change build to 2 daggers or let it be as it is. Maybe you have some advise for me?
P.S.S. i have 6l:
ED-VoidM-Empower-SlProj-RD-ContrDestr. As you see, I haven't any place for poison gem.

sure there are plenty of CI versions out there and it shouldnt be any problem to go ci with this build insted of picking up the scion life wheel you can easly take the nodes in the witch area!

Hi there,

I'm doing a CI+shield version and I've stumbled upon an unexpected shortcoming. That's is, I don't seem to be able to sustain my Es without the burst damage+leech+ghost reaver and life regen from Bino's+ZO doesn't seem to be enough either. Thoughts?