Block incin and stuff *Discontinued due to Incinerate nerfs*

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cutejerk wrote:

Never played incinerate b4, I just tried the 1.3 version of this build to feel it. got 72/75 block, 4500hp. use HOI/HOT/Clarity/Tempest shield. Pretty easy to sustain the mana with old clarity and some mana regen from tree and gear (I understand it's not possible in 2.0). life leech in 5L and VP, it's already very tanky, face wrecking normal atziri with no problem. I just feel the damage is a little bit low, I am not comparing it to my other low life mjolner discharge build, cuz it's differnt build cost and mjolner got a huge hit in 2.0. I just wonder how comparable between 1.3 GMP shotgunning and 2.0 new incinerate? I might have about 22% less spell dmg and 5 less cast speed from the tree (yours 42% spell dmg vs mine 20% ele dmg).

I know your char is even tankier, and the defense of your build is the real spotlight. But I also want to know how to build it with more dps.

Here is my 1.3 experimental laboratory rat: gear and tree:

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgAAAdwDHgUtBjkIZwkzC2EM9w-rFSAWvxmKGbQaPhutHNwe3x9BJIsmlSo4LOktRy2DL8w1kjY9Oq064TwtPQ894kCgR35I7krITUZN409WUEJRYFM1VUtaUl4TXz9gS2HiYqxi7GVNbIxtbG6qb4R07XgNeK55OXloeu99dX7if8aCHoTZhO-IQow2lwabXZu1naqmV6iaqW6playvr6ezP7TFtfK3PrvjvTa-ir6nvrzAv8EEwYLBxcSixPbGrsrT0TbTfti92wviLOnV73ryRfKX8wb2o_uq_gr-uv8c

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yotmato wrote:

Interesting post, hmmm..

Very hard for me to compare dps of your build with mine, I recommend you go to the videos section, check the atziri speed run, look at the kill speed, and then try to do the same yourself, and compare times. Thats going to give you a more accurate view than what I can tell you off the top of my head, 2.0 changed a lot of things, incinerate base cast time was insanely buffed, new Anger aura, jewels giving damage, cybils itself was buffed... too many things to take into account, so again, my advice is check the speedrun and replicate it yourself, and compare.

I'm impressed that you were able to achieve such a high block without block jewels. I completely forgot that you can craft block in gloves with a Haku Level 7, i'm not entirely sure if thats still possible in the Beta, but I'll keep it in mind for sure.

You are going to need a good Hubris and some nice high ES gloves, also rings with ES and elreon crafted %ES, if you're planning to use Coil/Steps combo, which is something I will totally aim for in the ultra game.

The way ES stacks with MoM in the beta just encourages you to stack a ton of ES, which makes you exponentially more tanky than what you could achieve on Live with just mana.

Thanks for your post and the 1.3 science for comparison

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Zero5944 wrote:

Hey, i've a little question. Can you explain why you use this 4 link - 4L: Cast when Damage Taken Level 1 - Ball Lightning Level 1 - Firestorm Level 1 - GMP i'm kinda lost about the use of it in the build. I understand that you are ultra faceroll tank so Cast When Damage Taken is a good thing but why with those spell coz lv 1 with your spell damage they don't do any damage do they ?

And one little more question what do you think about your clearspeed ? Like for farming Divination card do you think you kill fast enough or not really ?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

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cutejerk wrote:

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yotmato wrote:

Interesting post, hmmm..

Very hard for me to compare dps of your build with mine, I recommend you go to the videos section, check the atziri speed run, look at the kill speed, and then try to do the same yourself, and compare times. Thats going to give you a more accurate view than what I can tell you off the top of my head, 2.0 changed a lot of things, incinerate base cast time was insanely buffed, new Anger aura, jewels giving damage, cybils itself was buffed... too many things to take into account, so again, my advice is check the speedrun and replicate it yourself, and compare.

I'm impressed that you were able to achieve such a high block without block jewels. I completely forgot that you can craft block in gloves with a Haku Level 7, i'm not entirely sure if thats still possible in the Beta, but I'll keep it in mind for sure.

You are going to need a good Hubris and some nice high ES gloves, also rings with ES and elreon crafted %ES, if you're planning to use Coil/Steps combo, which is something I will totally aim for in the ultra game.

The way ES stacks with MoM in the beta just encourages you to stack a ton of ES, which makes you exponentially more tanky than what you could achieve on Live with just mana.

Thanks for your post and the 1.3 science for comparison

I think you do kill faster, according to the trio fight, i would say you are about 30% faster. but it's hard to compare, beside what you mentioned above, you got 6L vs my 5L, and we got gear and tree difference. But I have a feeling that GGG has twisted the new incinerate dmg well, I feel it's even more powerful without shotgunning,
Yeah, I do think 16% dodge on top of 75% block is awesome, especially for atziri. I just sit in the double flame blast, only died once in 4 runs, it doesn't matter if I use flask, that thing will one shot me no matter what, if the dodge/block don't work. So the chance to survive that is pretty high. It should provide good error tolerance for Uber too. I don't want to try it using this build, since it will be so slow for my dps, and it's pointless to risk 6ex to prove an obsolete build.

BTW, why don't you use the new chaos golem for the 4% additional phys reduction? I understand you have very limited gem slots, and non-link golem can be instantly killed. But isn't better just put it in one of your cwdt link, so it's summoned whenever you got hurt.

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Zero5944 wrote:

Hey, i've a little question. Can you explain why you use this 4 link - 4L: Cast when Damage Taken Level 1 - Ball Lightning Level 1 - Firestorm Level 1 - GMP i'm kinda lost about the use of it in the build. I understand that you are ultra faceroll tank so Cast When Damage Taken is a good thing but why with those spell coz lv 1 with your spell damage they don't do any damage do they ?

And one little more question what do you think about your clearspeed ? Like for farming Divination card do you think you kill fast enough or not really ?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

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doppelski wrote:

What is the mn lvl requirement for safety kill atziri in HC you think after you get rathpith/lazwar/rainbowstride/cybil ??
In your last atziri video your incinerate is lvl 19 or 20 ?
Thanks :)

And do you have any 100%safe kill strategy for the normal trio ? Cause i know you speedrun but trio doesnt look safe in your vids ^^
i guess smth like self cast EC + cwdt / IC can be cool