[1.3] Damn! She's Stunning (Perma-Stun) - Budget 2H Mace Ground Slam Scion

Hey guys! I'm Spicy__candy. Welcome to my 2H Perma-Stun Ground Slam guide.



First of all, you might wanna check out the following videos to see how well this build works against bosses.



As you can see, the bosses were stunned throughout the fights, and all I am using are
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I will go into details in the gear selection section later.























Thanks for reading!

Good luck, have fun!

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Assume the "defender_effective_max_life" of a mob is 1000000.

Case 1
Assume you attack 3 times per second, dealing 500 damage each hit, the tooltip DPS will be 1500, and the chance to stun is 200 * 500 / 1000000 = 10%.

Case 2
Assume you attack 6 times per second, dealing 250 damage each hit, the tooltip DPS will also be 1500, and the chance to stun is 200 * 250 / 1000000 = 5%.

With the same resultant DPS, the case where you hit harder but hit less apparently has a greater chance to stun the enemy.

Ignoring for a moment that you need to choose an example where the resulting chance to stun is >=20%, since 20% is the minimum required chance to stun, you happen to be right in your conclusion, but you are not showing the right numbers to prove it. You are looking at the chance to stun per individual attack, which is fine so far as it goes, but when one case has 3 attacks per second and the other 6, what is important to the player comparing the two cases is how many stuns he gets per any given interval, not how many stuns he gets per attack.

So if we take a look at your example (ignoring still that both cases gives results below 20% and are thus in practice invalid):

Case1: 10% chance to stun on any attack. Thus in one second, your chance to stun at least once with your 3 attacks is 1-(1-0.1)^3 = 27.1%

Case2: 5% chance to stun on any attack. Thus in one second, your chance to stun at least once with your 6 attacks is 1-(1-0.05)^6 = 26.5%

So since 27.1% > 26.5% you are right that your example leads to Case1 being better due to a higher chance of a single stun, but they are pretty darn close and if this was the only consideration one might easily conclude that Case2 was the better in practice due to smoothing out the risk of occasional longer intervals without stuns.

Now, in practice, this is irrelevant. THE big reason for preferring big hits in a stun build regardless of number of attacks is simple - it allows you to beat the minimum required 20% stun chance against monsters with high health. The more one goes for more but individually weaker attacks per second, the more monsters it will be impossible to stun.

So I'd suggest you focus on that in your explanation instead. :)

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Pi2rEpsilon wrote:

Now, in practice, this is irrelevant. THE big reason for preferring big hits in a stun build regardless of number of attacks is simple - it allows you to beat the minimum required 20% stun chance against monsters with high health. The more one goes for more but individually weaker attacks per second, the more monsters it will be impossible to stun.

So I'd suggest you focus on that in your explanation instead. :)

Thank you so much for pointing this out. Would you mind if I simply quote what you wrote in the explanation part?

that mace is pretty BiS, therefore "cheap" isn't realistic and I would change the Gem-Setup

Skill-Tree: instead of Wrecking Ball you should get Martial Expierence

Get some Chaos Resistance, run Blood Rage for more leech... Crit Groundslam still looks tankier

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Ceratoidei wrote:

that mace is pretty BiS, therefore "cheap" isn't realistic and I would change the Gem-Setup

Skill-Tree: instead of Wrecking Ball you should get Martial Experience

Get some Chaos Resistance, run Blood Rage for more leech... Crit Groundslam still looks tankier

Hi.
First of all, thanks for reading this guide.

I got a few things to say here.

1. In terms of the price of the mace, you would have noticed that a Marohi Erqi (which is worth approximately 10 ~ 20c) would be enough to stun most bosses. Even the mace that I am currently using does not cost insanely much. I got this mace for 10ex a few months ago.

2. I will need 3 points in order to get Martial Experience. From that I will have the following stats

I will need 3 points for Wrecking Ball as well. From that I will have the following stats
This build does not benefit anything from accuracy rating. The only helpful part from Martial Experience is the 10% Increased Stun Duration and 14% more Physical Damage whereas Wrecking Ball gives 14% more attack speed. If you have ever built a melee character and got into end game, you would know that 14% attack speed gives you way more DPS than 14% physical damage.

However, if you really want the 10% Increased Stun Duration, go for it. It's your character and you can do whatever you want.

3. I do not understand where the crit GS part comes from. The whole point of this build is to utilize RT and the reduced stun threshold/increased stun duration for 2H maces from the passive tree so that we do not have to worry about the accuracy (which could be quite expensive to stack while trying to maximize other defensive stats.

You probably get the idea of crit ground slam from some other dual-wielding builds where you have a 1H mace for GS and a soultaker offhand, which significantly increases the cost of this build.
You can use the following link to check the lowest price of a Soul Taker (7ex for a non-legacy one as of June 13th, 2015)

4. Could you please explain what you meant by "tankier"? I have approximately 5000 effective HP when wearing Ming's Heart (which reduces 15% HP) and I have Endurance Charge on Melee Stun linked with my Ground Slam, which ensures full endurance charges all the time when mobs are stunnable. Level 1 CWDT with Immortal Call just makes my character immu to physical damage all the time.

I have all elemental resistances capped and -6% as my chaos resistance. If you watched my boss fight videos, you will be able to imagine how mobs that deal chaos damage will be stunned (LIKE ALL OTHER MOBS) and will die fairly quickly (LIKE ALL OTHER MOBS). If there are some poison clouds or desecrated ground (the latter doesn't hurt at all but I am mentioning here just in case you think I forgot about it) that deals DoT, I guess you are smart enough to walk out of it or pop an Atziri's Promise (gives you 35% Chaos Resistance).

I will upload videos of full clears soon.

I already have enough leech to deal with almost everything, the leech from blood rage is just unnecessary. However, 3 Frenzy Charges increase my DPS by 4200 and that is really nice.

So I would say having Blood Rage somewhere on your gears is a good idea.
Thanks for mentioning this and I am adding it into the guide. :3


This is the very first build that I wrote so I really appreciate all comments and responses.

Look at the length of this reply and maybe you can imagine how much effort I put there.

Please do respond. (sending you an PM)

1. Yeah, in that case take a video with Mahori

2. With such a slow weapon you almost don't benefit from ias + Stun is calculated by One-Hit DPS, so more Phys% is preferred, even it your raw dps number woudl go down a bit

3. Those nodes can be taken from 1H Mace as well and can be started with cheap budget as well

4. You have no Defense Layer besides Stun, even a 2H Cyclone has Movement + High Leech

Leech-Cap is 25% of your Life-Pool per second so 1000k life/s at max
you're doing 23k phys dps and have 2% leech, so you're at 460life/s
as we assume that we might hit not with all of our 3,9aps we're interested in overcapping leech, therefore 13% ll of blood rage is really welcome

5k effective HP is in one/two shot range without another defense layer, which you don't have, with a build like this I would aim 7k as a 2h build

Nice Build, thanks for the information. Good Perma Stunna for starters!

Interesting build.
I read about another perma-stun build else where but that guy was using Dry Woods boss for the demo..
But you managed to stunlock Palace Dominus!
Impressive!

Edit: Found the video

Oooooooooooooo dat stun doe

BUMP! :)

Well done!