Theorycraft: Rashkaldor's Patience

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link1313 wrote:

edit: i think you were the guy buying or selling that amulet on poe xyz for 1 EX :P , was considering buying until i saw the low life mirror arrow ele prolif build.

Wasn't me. Mine isn't listed on the site at the current time.

The target build for this amulet is:
1. Not crit based. This actually rules out nearly everything.
2. Dealing multiple types of elemental damage. This thing just isn't worth it unless you're shooting for multiple different status effects - not strong enough if only using it for one element.

So I figure the two most likely contenders are:
1. Elemental Resolute Technique attack builds. These are generally suboptimal but maybe ST or some bow build.
2. Tri-elemental Incinerate or Flame Totem.
3. Dual-element Romira's casters.

One more for you guys:

Three Dragons Freeze Proliferation builds.

I use Herald of Lightning to passively freeze everything, and improving its ability to freeze basically reduces the chances that I'll run into a pack and get gibbed before the screen freezes.

The chance to shock also helps, thanks to Pyre I can shock enemies off Herald of Ice shatter explosions to really clear packs.

It also helps with perma-freezing bosses with Static Strike.


A lot of people really can't see the benefit to this item, but for my build it was basically a straight upgrade that only needed two passive points to make up the lost dex and resists from my rare amulet.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The target build for this amulet is:
1. Not crit based. This actually rules out nearly everything.
2. Dealing multiple types of elemental damage. This thing just isn't worth it unless you're shooting for multiple different status effects - not strong enough if only using it for one element.

So I figure the two most likely contenders are:
1. Elemental Resolute Technique attack builds. These are generally suboptimal but maybe ST or some bow build.
2. Tri-elemental Incinerate or Flame Totem.
3. Dual-element Romira's casters.

1. not really, they are still good.

2. applying status effects with inci is not gonna work that well. the base damage is low, for ignite builds for example you use as high flat damage as you can so the burn degen can be good, with inci or flame totem the flat damage is so minimal the burn will do nthing, and youll not proc any freeze or shock with just heralds

But if you use three dragons with incinerate/flame totem, then the amulet is really good

3.Why use romiras..you cant gain power charges.


its clear wht the amulet is good for, burn builds, ele attack builds that focus on light dmg, permafreeze builds etc. It has multiple uses

its just a simple unqiue that works well with non crit builds that proc status effects

I still have a hard time believing that, say, an RT tri-ele fast attacker (ideally made for this amulet) would use this amulet over any strong rare amulet.

I mean, non-crit burns is just a bad idea from the start (similar to "lots of small burns") due to the burn (and poison and bleed) mechanic. Burns thrive on spiky damage, and the best way to get spiky damage is through crit.

For freeze and shock, quality added cold/light (which a fast ele attacker would likely be using anyway) give 10% at 20qual and there's 10% on the tree easily next to Templar, and some 30% shock and freeze somewhat easily available over north of Shadow/Witch, if you're into that.

The amulet is a really hefty slot to give up for most builds. I'm thinking over all the non-crit builds I've made and none of them want to use this.

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pneuma wrote:

I still have a hard time believing that, say, an RT tri-ele fast attacker (ideally made for this amulet) would use this amulet over any strong rare amulet.

I mean, non-crit burns is just a bad idea from the start (similar to "lots of small burns") due to the burn (and poison and bleed) mechanic. Burns thrive on spiky damage, and the best way to get spiky damage is through crit.

For freeze and shock, quality added cold/light (which a fast ele attacker would likely be using anyway) give 10% at 20qual and there's 10% on the tree easily next to Templar, and some 30% shock and freeze somewhat easily available over north of Shadow/Witch, if you're into that.

The amulet is a really hefty slot to give up for most builds. I'm thinking over all the non-crit builds I've made and none of them want to use this.

flameblast non crit burn is very viable

a fast ele rt attacker would not use added cold or added light, there no room for those gems in a 6l for a build like that, for example a ele cleave templar gets shock chance on tree, more shock chance always gives more dps, same thing with a glacial hammer freeze build

as for cold perma freeze builds like freeze miners, its brilliant because it gives freeze duration

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VictorDoom wrote:

flameblast non crit burn is very viable

Sure, but that's mostly because it does a bajillion damage in a single hit. DoT-based-on-initial thrives on slow, big hits and/or medium speed spiky hits.

Flameblast crit is even more viable since it requires less overall damage investment and you get to run around and just 1stack until a crit hits and a burn sticks. All the extra saved investment goes right into defenses to make a stronger build.

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VictorDoom wrote:

a fast ele rt attacker would not use added cold or added light, there no room for those gems in a 6l for a build like that, for example a ele cleave templar gets shock chance on tree, more shock chance always gives more dps, same thing with a glacial hammer freeze build

as for cold perma freeze builds like freeze miners, its brilliant because it gives freeze duration

Off the top of my head:
Cyclone + Conc + WED + FA + LL + BM?
Dropping Conc for 20q AddLight or AddCold is completely legit here.
Dropping FA for either is similarly fine.

Cleave + WED + MStrike + LL + Conc is fine as a 5L which has lots of 6th slot options. I would probably trade AddLight for Conc here, as well.

10% all chance from the Templar nodes is powerful and cheap on the tree, and can even make the end run for Static Blows (probably on the way to EB to run AA) and be completely set for shock chance, even without the quality added lightning. That frees up the neck slot to big, meaty stats, or even other powerful defensive uniques like Lazhwar or Chayula.

Glacial Hammer hardly needs more freeze chance. I made a non-crit GH/FreezeMine last league and between Frostbite, GH's innate chance AND quality, and one of the Freeze/Chill/Cold node circles, I was more than reliably freezing. Investing more into that would have been a complete waste.

Freeze Duration on Freeze Mine needed no help. It does a boatload of cold damage now and freezes at a multiple of the damage it does. With coldpen and/or High Explosives and/or -res curses/EE, it was reliably freezing all whites and most blues for 9s. Certainly longer than the time it takes to drop another mine and refreeze them, at any rate.

I'm not sure where my experience differs from yours, but this thing has no appeal for exactly the builds it seems catered to.

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I vaguely remember the creator running a non-crit EA and made this to "fit his build". The stat reqs was to help with dex on a templar/witch elemental tree, iirc.

The odd thing is that it's not like non-crit burn is in need of chance to ignite. There's a support gem, a boatload of chance to ignite on the tree, cloak of flame, quality on several gems...

Just feels like mistargeted design. On the plus side, it's not another Shav's. :P

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VictorDoom wrote:

2. applying status effects with inci is not gonna work that well. the base damage is low, for ignite builds for example you use as high flat damage as you can so the burn degen can be good, with inci or flame totem the flat damage is so minimal the burn will do nthing, and youll not proc any freeze or shock with just heralds

If you're looking at Incinerate as a self-cast Flame Totem you have things so wrong. It would be equally valid to say Incinerate deals quadruple the listed amount of damage, to include 120% damage effeffectiveness for Heralds and such. The real truth is somewhere in between. It is a fine skill for applying elemental status, even without Three Dragons. Although LMP is recommended over GMP if you go that route.

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pneuma wrote:

For freeze and shock, quality added cold/light (which a fast ele attacker would likely be using anyway) give 10% at 20qual and there's 10% on the tree easily next to Templar, and some 30% shock and freeze somewhat easily available over north of Shadow/Witch, if you're into that.

Well in my case, I've already capitalized on all the shock/freeze nodes that are easily available on the tree, so it's really a question of "Gem or Rashkaldor's minus 2 passives", which is actually a pretty fair comparison.

For me, Rashkaldor's won out because of the increased freeze duration, something that I cannot get any more of with the tree tapped out. Additionally, using a 20q "added x" gem would seriously shrink my damage, further reducing the efficacy of my freezes and rendering certain map bosses un-freezable.

Uber build right here so hold on to your hats folks:

Tasalio's Sign
Solaris Lorica
Dark Seer

Think about it.
Boom.
You're welcome.