[1.3] Vaal Righteous Fire Build [Updated pre 2.0.0]

2Xeypht: Thank you very much for such a thorough answer. By the way, today my last character finished her long journey to the default league, so I was able to run some RF tests there (sending Vaal RF there was not a big deal). So, I checked all forms of DoT/degen damage, and it seems to be really safe. I was not able to kill myself, though I did many attempts. I think I'll give this build a try after little calculations.

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me too i am going to do a vaal RF build. but i will try a CI one.
Why CI? i think it is easier to have more ES than HP.

so i will try to do something with max mana regen, max es and take a cloak of defiance+AA with a tree like that :
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-i will not use flameblast but a cold or lightning spell for "Elemental Equilibrium"
-Vaal RF will be in a searing touch 5L
-i will add a vaal discipline for boss or hudge fire resist rare monster

First, Zealot's Oath does not work with Vaal Pact.

Second, as we can see on different videos, RF's damage is not an issue here. EE will do nothing if you already oneshot the target. And CI will give even more damage. The main problem is to recharge your RF, and lightning/cold spell without passive support will not be that nice.

Next, CoD will give you 150 ES, while nice Vaal Regalia will give you 700. 550 ES loss, combined with all your nodes will give about 2k real ES loss. And it's your damage too. Moreover, you need to get about 2-3k UNRESERVED mana to make it work. Not going to happen in CI build, I think.

And, once again, Searing Touch = no shield = less HP and damage.

Though CI build should be viable, your items will really shine on life version.

P.S. It's just some theorycraft and little calculations on a piece of paper. I can be wrong. :)

Hiya! Newbie here, Love the build idea! I just want to know what's the actual reason to not get vaal pact asap? Still a newb so be nice! :D

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Demieyes wrote:

Hiya! Newbie here, Love the build idea! I just want to know what's the actual reason to not get vaal pact asap? Still a newb so be nice! :D

Sorry for the late response.

First of all, i started on torment all self found, so i got elemental proliferation for my flame blast, and vaal righteous fire at around cruel. So the only reason i did not take Vaal pact earlier was, that i took it only when i got vaal righteous fire set up with life leach. When i level, i do not spend currency on linking items and chroming them for colors unless i know i will use them on a alts, or that its easy, to get the colors i want, on that item, so the main reason i got the leveling passives in the order i did what my pure "cheepcakeness".

But to note, from what i remember, vaal righteous fire did not do a lot of damage in cruel with low hp and a low amount of damage nodes. But that was maybe because it was low level at first. When i leveled it up, things got good. That is versus regular mobs. So take that into consideration, because increased elemental resistance rare mobs are pretty common even when leveling.

Hi,

First of all thx for a nice tutorial. I came back to PoE after more than year of break and because of tree reset and because I have had 87 scion on std league already I said "why not to try this build" :) I have a couple of questions.

1) What Life level would you suggest as let's say minimum must, and what Is OK for comfort play. Vaal Righteous Fire seems to be quite dangerous when you fire it against small groups of enemies...

2) I have quite nice Alpha's Howl in my chest. I'm wearing it atm since I don't have anything else. Any hints here?



3) ATM I don't have a chance for a Doryani's Catalyst. I'm using this wand



You said that spell dmg + some cast speed would do the job, correct?


4) What would you say on a shield like this one:



5) What kind of flasks would you suggest?

Cheers,

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phlawski wrote:

Hi,

First of all thx for a nice tutorial. I came back to PoE after more than year of break and because of tree reset and because I have had 87 scion on std league already I said "why not to try this build" :) I have a couple of questions.

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1) What Life level would you suggest as let's say minimum must, and what Is OK for comfort play. Vaal Righteous Fire seems to be quite dangerous when you fire it against small groups of enemies...

2) I have quite nice Alpha's Howl in my chest. I'm wearing it atm since I don't have anything else. Any hints here?

3) ATM I don't have a chance for a Doryani's Catalyst. I'm using this wand

You said that spell dmg + some cast speed would do the job, correct?


4) What would you say on a shield like this one:

5) What kind of flasks would you suggest?

Cheers,

I fell charmed that i managed to inspire someone like that.

1) When i plan a build I use poebuilder . com and go for minimum of 145% life. But always take into consideration, if you know you will use unique`s in the build that do not have life on them, you might want to compensate. It is dangerous to use em on low amount of mobs, but you rarely do, and nothing what instant heal flasks cant solve really.

2) No hints. It is a nice item. i was planing to use it actually at first when i planed this char for all my purity auras, and i was considering the freeze immunity, because i was already going for stun immunity in passives. If you don't mind losing HP and resists and rarity you can on a regular helm then this is a good item for this build. I just went the different way because thanks to this char, i started to like rarity. But if you do not care about rarity then i might say this is a pretty safe pick for this build. Might be a better item for atziri combined with shuffels frame shield for maxing out resists.

3) That wand is vary nice. It wont scale the burning damage, but it will definitely get the job done.

4) The shield is good, nice damage, and i always like mana regeneration. As long as your resists are capped, its good.

5) Here is what I use atm:


I only change flasks for Atziri, where i take a fire and lighting res flask instead of speed flasks with recovery rate

Removing bleeding instant flask is the one i make for every character i play for corrupting blood counter.

Other instant flask with remove burning, could be also remove shock, but that's up to your preference.

The Over time heal flask, I did not go for curse immunity, because it is better to have that on a flask that stays up the whole time. When i was rolling it, I was going for instant heal on low life, because i had one while leveling and it was pretty good, saved my ass a lot, but when i saw this roll, gave it a shot, and it helped a lot for my play style where i run a lot and boom boom one or two stack packs with flame blast and such. But it could be better to get that instant heal on low life roll. Something like this:


If i had capped chaos resistance, i would definitely use this, but that`s just day dreaming.


And the Quicksilver flasks are self explanatory. None crit build, went with other option for recovery.

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Xeypht wrote:

1) When i plan a build I use poebuilder . com and go for minimum of 145% life. But always take into consideration, if you know you will use unique`s in the build that do not have life on them, you might want to compensate. It is dangerous to use em on low amount of mobs, but you rarely do, and nothing what instant heal flasks cant solve really.

Hi,

Thanks for your answer. I was rather thinking about amount of life on a character card, not a percentage. I have for instance 3.9k life and I have a feeling that it's too less. Generally I do fine with damage but the build is little bit kinda glass cannon. I died few times and I'm not feeling OK with that fact ;)

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phlawski wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your answer. I was rather thinking about amount of life on a character card, not a percentage. I have for instance 3.9k life and I have a feeling that it's too less. Generally I do fine with damage but the build is little bit kinda glass cannon. I died few times and I'm not feeling OK with that fact ;)

Hi,

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I got 4.5k life in rarity gear, 5k in hp gear. For life based casters i try to get 4,5k minimum.

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Xeypht wrote:

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phlawski wrote:

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Xeypht wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your answer. I was rather thinking about amount of life on a character card, not a percentage. I have for instance 3.9k life and I have a feeling that it's too less. Generally I do fine with damage but the build is little bit kinda glass cannon. I died few times and I'm not feeling OK with that fact ;)

Hi,

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I got 4.5k life in rarity gear, 5k in hp gear. For life based casters i try to get 4,5k minimum.

OK, got it. So that definitely means I need an improvement :) Thanks...

Have you considered using Kaom's Heart? Seems like it was made for this build.

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dariidar wrote:

Have you considered using Kaom's Heart? Seems like it was made for this build.

I have considered it. Never got to testing it. Mainly because i wanted the carcass jack and had my mind set for it. Only exalt drop in torment, was used for Carcass Jack at the start of the league.

But, one thing to take into consideration, if you want to make a more life based character, for this builds, first, is koams boots. As i mention in my post they can save you a lot of passives, and the original created Kaaps, used them.

Second, i have not tested this in practice, using koams hearth that is. A while back i had a talk with one of my mates, and i remember vaguely that he told, that koams hearth price dropped because of the procent (%) nerf on the tree. So that is why now Belly of the beast price is higher then it used to be.

Your suggestion is valid, but something that needs to be taken into practice.
- Will you get more total health with Koams Hearth rather then Belly of the Beast, seeing this build goes for minimum % hp from the passive tree.
- Will the lose of 5/6link be compensated from the increased fire damage of Koams hearth.
- If you do use kaoms hearth, are doryianis maces less potent then a shearing touch staff.

You bring up a good point, and i`ll ask my guilds if anyone can lend me the Hearth and searing touch to test this, but if anyone else can share there experience, it would be appreciated.