(hardcore) ktbanh's Fiery Blood Witch + Video (pvp,tanky,mobile,quill,range,explosive,dots,survival)

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judefaulkland wrote:
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Nukerdeath wrote:
I tried equipping +10% Fire dmg Ring, the tooltip of explosive arrow didnt change anything? also tried concentrated effect, i dont see any damage boost o.O

im lvl 45 now,, i feel really weak grinding fellshire ruins,, taking me years to kill a monster xD


This has to do with the way Explosive Arrow calculates it's damage. You don't see a change because your main source of damage with explosive arrow when using quill rain comes from the explosion itself, which is not calculated into the DPS number shown.

Take a look here at the wiki, http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Explosive_Arrow

and the the skill thread, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/13706/page/22

for a better idea the skill works.

Also, if you're having trouble with fellshire, then something is amiss. What support gems do you have stacked on explosive arrow? I use lmp, concentrated effect, and faster attacks and I have always blazed through fellshire with no problems.


Yeah i mean the Explosive Arrow tooltip about the "Deals fire damage numbers on explosion" dont change too thats normal? .. solo i can do fellshire just fine, but when in a party i do piss poor damage xD.. only using LMP coz of life regen issues (currently sitting 1600hp)
IGN: NukerDeath
im following ur build a bit but instead of blood magic skill i use blood magic gems as a support witch allows me to run 3 auras with reduced mana: purity , Determination and (vitality or haste)

and a little question does Lava Lash(30% inc fire dam with weapons) increase my explosive arrow damage? on the tooltip if i take the increased elemental dam with weapons then my dps goes up

so does it work with lava lash and if it does why didnt u take it

allso im using added lightning - life on hit - blood magic on rain of arrows and have static blows im allmost 50 and dps is good with it
i can tank everything with it because life on hit
but i imagine the dps fails soon on that, its good for lvling tho

i allso use Frenzy to get my attspeed up then mow em down with rain of arrows and exlosive arrow after 9sec shoot 1 frenzy to refresh and keep my charges up

realy fun build
Last edited by munnijupp#3862 on Feb 20, 2013, 6:58:44 AM
I'd like to throw out Rain of Arrows+Ranged Attack Totem

I'm not sure if it's optimal, but it sure is awesome.
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munnijupp wrote:
im following ur build a bit but instead of blood magic skill i use blood magic gems as a support witch allows me to run 3 auras with reduced mana: purity , Determination and (vitality or haste)

and a little question does Lava Lash(30% inc fire dam with weapons) increase my explosive arrow damage? on the tooltip if i take the increased elemental dam with weapons then my dps goes up

so does it work with lava lash and if it does why didnt u take it

allso im using added lightning - life on hit - blood magic on rain of arrows and have static blows im allmost 50 and dps is good with it
i can tank everything with it because life on hit
but i imagine the dps fails soon on that, its good for lvling tho

i allso use Frenzy to get my attspeed up then mow em down with rain of arrows and exlosive arrow after 9sec shoot 1 frenzy to refresh and keep my charges up

realy fun build


Hey, interesting idea. Let me know how the mana yield is for you later.

As for Lava-Lash, no. It only increases weapon elemental damage e.g. if your bow has 10-20 fire damage for instance.

There are universal damage increase mods and weapon specific mods.

Examples:

Increase Fire Damage (Universal)
Increase Weapon Fire Damage (Strictly Weapon Dependent)

I will update this guide later tonight when I get home from a trip.

Currently at level 80. (alive)
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munnijupp wrote:
im following ur build a bit but instead of blood magic skill i use blood magic gems as a support witch allows me to run 3 auras with reduced mana: purity , Determination and (vitality or haste)

and a little question does Lava Lash(30% inc fire dam with weapons) increase my explosive arrow damage? on the tooltip if i take the increased elemental dam with weapons then my dps goes up

so does it work with lava lash and if it does why didnt u take it

allso im using added lightning - life on hit - blood magic on rain of arrows and have static blows im allmost 50 and dps is good with it
i can tank everything with it because life on hit
but i imagine the dps fails soon on that, its good for lvling tho

i allso use Frenzy to get my attspeed up then mow em down with rain of arrows and exlosive arrow after 9sec shoot 1 frenzy to refresh and keep my charges up

realy fun build


does you life get too low when using 3 aura with blood magic and reduce mana?
IGN: flaxburn
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crunchz87 wrote:

does you life get too low when using 3 aura with blood magic and reduce mana?


no my life goes up if i hit atleast 2 mobs with my rain of arrows if i hit only one my life stays the same
and i dont use blood magic on my auras i use only redused mana on them witch makes thema take 33% mana pool eatch so all 3 auras reserve 99% of my mana and i dont use mana on anything else use blood magic gem on every other skill

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ktbanh wrote:

Hey, interesting idea. Let me know how the mana yield is for you later.


i have 99% of mana reserved and i dont use mana on anything else all other skills use blood magic support gem
Last edited by munnijupp#3862 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:16:11 AM
kinda better idea than going blood magic on the treee, lets see what ktbanh has on that
IGN: flaxburn
The issue of blood magic gem is the cost of the skill is fairly outrageous with the proper supports and blood magic(which alone is 245% multiplier), and then you fire super fast, however you don't get any health back until the detonation, which means there's a fairly long delay between the moment you start paying the health and the moment you get it back. This isn't like going blood magic on another spell where you pay for 1 cast and the spell does damage near instantly and start healing you back right away. For EA, you pay the cost 2-5times, then wait one second, THEN you get the returns from life leech. The initial investment puts you at a large deficit, which obviously potions will cover to an extent but still.

Once you get rolling though I assume due to the lifeleech cap you get 20% of your max health per second for the rest of the fight if you keep firing, which should cover the costs nicely. Just if you 5 arrow a pack at 200health per EA and a reflect rare mob runs in, you're probably dead even with 85%fire res.
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PyrosEien wrote:
The issue of blood magic gem is the cost of the skill is fairly outrageous with the proper supports and blood magic(which alone is 245% multiplier), and then you fire super fast, however you don't get any health back until the detonation, which means there's a fairly long delay between the moment you start paying the health and the moment you get it back. This isn't like going blood magic on another spell where you pay for 1 cast and the spell does damage near instantly and start healing you back right away. For EA, you pay the cost 2-5times, then wait one second, THEN you get the returns from life leech. The initial investment puts you at a large deficit, which obviously potions will cover to an extent but still.

Once you get rolling though I assume due to the lifeleech cap you get 20% of your max health per second for the rest of the fight if you keep firing, which should cover the costs nicely. Just if you 5 arrow a pack at 200health per EA and a reflect rare mob runs in, you're probably dead even with 85%fire res.


ur wrong mate :) i think u misread me im using life on hit not life leech :)
life on hit reads the first hit not the explosion theres no point of using life leech because ur single hit damage is not that good and it starts leetching after explosion, like u said :)
its all about the fast attacks and life on hit
i run life on hit and it heals me up nice i have no problem supporiting the huge multiplier of blood magic gem and im only lvl 47 with 2k hp , imagine that with good life regen and 4k+ life
only downside to this is u need a exta gem spot on ur gear for blood magic
but u get to run with 3 auras which is a huge defence+
im picking up the buff effect and Inner Force(+6%+6%+18% inc effects of buffs on u) notes on skill tree which is a must if you run 3 auras :P
Last edited by munnijupp#3862 on Feb 21, 2013, 3:32:43 AM
But you only cover a part of the cost with life gain on hit right? I mean it's like 30 health gained for a 150health cost or so? Or you using LMP too? I guess then it's 90 health gained, which is very good yeah. I can see how that works, but that's 2 supports used to make it work that way, still pretty good.

I did a mana build myself so I have auras anyway, but running mana and blood magic supports lets you use 3x 40% auras which is pretty nice(comparatively I only can run purity haste and grace, since clarity and discipline don't do anything other than let me run the other auras). The damage is most certainly lower though so it's a tradeoff, defensive auras vs damage, which generally is a pretty good tradeoff for hardcore. Might require a 5L to really make it shine though.

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