Explosive Arrow Witch for HC leagues. 8900+ HP Pool, AA, Instant Healing, Burn the whole screen

I have a question about the "simulating a 8link" with the 2 explosive arrow setup.

I notice that it is kinda hard to hit all your explosive arrows on one single monster because they move around alot so i cant shoot all my arrows on the same target most of the time.

Both the strong arrow + 4 weak arrows need to be on the same target before this works? or can i shoot the strong arrow and 4 weak ones without having to worry about missing 1 arrow on my main target.
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royvisser1990 wrote:
I have a question about the "simulating a 8link" with the 2 explosive arrow setup.

I notice that it is kinda hard to hit all your explosive arrows on one single monster because they move around alot so i cant shoot all my arrows on the same target most of the time.

Both the strong arrow + 4 weak arrows need to be on the same target before this works? or can i shoot the strong arrow and 4 weak ones without having to worry about missing 1 arrow on my main target.


You need to hit the same target. This is why lmp can be useful until you get a +1 arrow quiver.
@BeerPact
Last edited by muir on Jan 5, 2015, 9:55:33 PM
Hi,
I have a few questions:
1) For people who don't have a 6 linked chest (only 5L):
Do you really need the life on hit gem? How about double curse by dropping life on hit?
Is life regen from fife leach with EA not enough?
2) For people who don't have a 6 linked bow (only 5L):
Wouldn't the 20 quality increased burning damage gem be better than concentrated/ increased area of effect? That way you would have 10% more chance to ignite and achieve a higher damage (since the burning is the main source of damage)?
Last edited by SeeD_MR on Jan 5, 2015, 7:26:10 AM
(for some reason I can't edit my previous post any more...)

Hi,
I have a few questions:
1) For people who don't have a 6 linked chest (only 5L):
Do you really need the life on hit gem? How about double curse by dropping life on hit?
Is life regen from fife leach with EA not enough?
2) For people who don't have a 6 linked bow (only 5L):
Wouldn't the 20 quality increased burning damage gem be better than concentrated/ increased area of effect? That way you would have 10% more chance to ignite and achieve a higher damage (since the burning is the main source of damage)?
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SeeD_MR wrote:
(for some reason I can't edit my previous post any more...)

Hi,
I have a few questions:
1) For people who don't have a 6 linked chest (only 5L):
Do you really need the life on hit gem? How about double curse by dropping life on hit?
Is life regen from fife leach with EA not enough?
2) For people who don't have a 6 linked bow (only 5L):
Wouldn't the 20 quality increased burning damage gem be better than concentrated/ increased area of effect? That way you would have 10% more chance to ignite and achieve a higher damage (since the burning is the main source of damage)?


In a hardcore league it is important to have a way to heal when you hit many (many) times quickly due to effects like Lightning Thorns. You could run w/o LGOH but it would add a risk to your gameplay. Honestly I'd rather drop Chain than dropping LGOH, but your risk tolerance may vary.

Burning damage is based off the explosion's damage. MORE damage from Conc is enormously enormous and there is absolutely no way a burning damage gem will compensate for that. I'd just run w/ conc and no inc aoe if you had a 5link. Interestingly it is fairly easy to pick up inc AOE from the Templar tree now so Inc AOE isn't *that* important.
@BeerPact
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muir wrote:
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SeeD_MR wrote:
(for some reason I can't edit my previous post any more...)

Hi,
I have a few questions:
1) For people who don't have a 6 linked chest (only 5L):
Do you really need the life on hit gem? How about double curse by dropping life on hit?
Is life regen from fife leach with EA not enough?
2) For people who don't have a 6 linked bow (only 5L):
Wouldn't the 20 quality increased burning damage gem be better than concentrated/ increased area of effect? That way you would have 10% more chance to ignite and achieve a higher damage (since the burning is the main source of damage)?


In a hardcore league it is important to have a way to heal when you hit many (many) times quickly due to effects like Lightning Thorns. You could run w/o LGOH but it would add a risk to your gameplay. Honestly I'd rather drop Chain than dropping LGOH, but your risk tolerance may vary.

Burning damage is based off the explosion's damage. MORE damage from Conc is enormously enormous and there is absolutely no way a burning damage gem will compensate for that. I'd just run w/ conc and no inc aoe if you had a 5link. Interestingly it is fairly easy to pick up inc AOE from the Templar tree now so Inc AOE isn't *that* important.


Thanks for the reply.
I don't play HC so I'll be dropping LGOH. I think your build is awesome even for softcore. Looks affordable and really strong.
Conc is the way to go then.... To bad for the 10% ignite chance that q20 inc burning damage has.
What do u think about getting bow with +2 bow gems and +1 all gems? U can always swap weapons to apply stacks with guill faster. And switching inc aoe for empower?
With this bow and 3lvl empower ur EA will be 26lvl. Explosion dmg at 20lvl avg. 654 vs 1280 at 26lvl.

With some nice corruptions (EA 21lvl and empower 4lvl) EA will be 28lvl. It's not even listed on wiki but dmg will be something like avg. 1600-1700.
Imo its HUGE increase in dmg.

Dropping life leech and picking doryani's invitation instead isnt enough, right?


The explosion damage of L28 EA is 1275-1913. It's a nice damage boost but it will take a while to get used to the lower attack speed compares to quill rain. Personally I prefer quill rain over +1/+2 bow.
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Amongalen wrote:
What do u think about getting bow with +2 bow gems and +1 all gems? U can always swap weapons to apply stacks with guill faster. And switching inc aoe for empower?
With this bow and 3lvl empower ur EA will be 26lvl. Explosion dmg at 20lvl avg. 654 vs 1280 at 26lvl.

With some nice corruptions (EA 21lvl and empower 4lvl) EA will be 28lvl. It's not even listed on wiki but dmg will be something like avg. 1600-1700.
Imo its HUGE increase in dmg.

Dropping life leech and picking doryani's invitation instead isnt enough, right?


Thats not an apples to apples comparison. If you use empower you need to drop a gem, and if this gem is LL you're literally playing with fire.

The comparison of note would be 21 EA and Level 4 empower in quill rain vs +3 bow. In the end, you will find the APS of quill more than compensates for the difference in base damage as quill will be near twice as fast, vs a 20-30% increase in base dmg for +3 bow.
@BeerPact
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muir wrote:

Thats not an apples to apples comparison. If you use empower you need to drop a gem, and if this gem is LL you're literally playing with fire.

The comparison of note would be 21 EA and Level 4 empower in quill rain vs +3 bow. In the end, you will find the APS of quill more than compensates for the difference in base damage as quill will be near twice as fast, vs a 20-30% increase in base dmg for +3 bow.


I was talking about taking empower instead of inc aoe.

Lets compare 21 EA and Level 4 empower in quill rain vs +3 bow then. Its 24lvl in quill vs 28lvl in +3 bow.
Its avg 1025dmg vs 1594dmg, over 50% dmg increase. Other gems get +1 lvl as well but its not worth counting it.
As for attack speed quill has 3 aps and bow 1.74 (the one posted earlier). Yes, its almost 2 times more. However, if u use +3bow for first stack only and then swap into quill it works much better. Applying 5 stacks with quill takes 1.7s while +3bow combined with quill is about 1.9s. Not so big difference, about 12% in favor of quill.

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