RaizQT's budget RF incinerator (Atziri killer build) 2.0 UPDATED!

Hey, I'm planning on doing this build for 1.3, just wondering for budget play in early league before you can afford rise of the phoenix, what shield do you use? Spell dmg rare? I'm planning on using flameblast to map/level

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jealkeja wrote:

Hey, I'm planning on doing this build for 1.3, just wondering for budget play in early league before you can afford rise of the phoenix, what shield do you use? Spell dmg rare? I'm planning on using flameblast to map/level

I'm not sure how much a Rise will cost by the time u can use it. If it is still 1 exalt I've heard that if you hoard currency during the leveling process you should be able to afford one by the time u can wear it. I'm not sure how accurate this information is though.

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Marysvillain wrote:

I'm not sure how much a Rise will cost by the time u can use it. If it is still 1 exalt I've heard that if you hoard currency during the leveling process you should be able to afford one by the time u can wear it. I'm not sure how accurate this information is though.

In the one-week HC race, Rise was going for around 40c (slightly less than 2ex) about halfway through the league. Would guess it will be around there for a week or so in the new leagues.

For flameblasting, just use any shield. Obviously a spell dmg shield is nice, but only if you're being super careful with the stacks. Playing with Chance to Ingite or Inc Burning instead of Spell Echo in the 5L helps a lot with no ripping yourself.

In all reality, a spell dmg shield isn't necessary at all when leveling as flameblast. A 100+ES res/life shield early is pretty damn nice for regen/AA before you can get the Rise.

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Cataract wrote:

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Marysvillain wrote:

I'm not sure how much a Rise will cost by the time u can use it. If it is still 1 exalt I've heard that if you hoard currency during the leveling process you should be able to afford one by the time u can wear it. I'm not sure how accurate this information is though.

In the one-week HC race, Rise was going for around 40c (slightly less than 2ex) about halfway through the league. Would guess it will be around there for a week or so in the new leagues.

For flameblasting, just use any shield. Obviously a spell dmg shield is nice, but only if you're being super careful with the stacks. Playing with Chance to Ingite or Inc Burning instead of Spell Echo in the 5L helps a lot with no ripping yourself.

In all reality, a spell dmg shield isn't necessary at all when leveling as flameblast. A 100+ES res/life shield early is pretty damn nice for regen/AA before you can get the Rise.

Cool, thanks for the info, both of you :)

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LowBaller wrote:

I must be missing something but the dmg from this build is to low for me, I've been testing this build for a few days and i really don't think incinerate is a good choice for dmg

don't get me wrong it is a good build but imho if you can't clear lvl78+ maps fast then chances are farming atrizi is impossible...yes I've tried atrizi several times and was unsuccessful.

I had exactly the same Problem.
I tested the build with really good gear in Standard and the kill speed was waaaay too slow.

I was using a 6l Cloak of Defiance and a Doryani Sceptre.
The only thing that was a bit low was my level 16/20 Incinerate but I cant imagine that the difference can be that high.

Would really love to play that build in the new league, but i am just afraid to die with it or to be stuck in low maps forever.

I died several times cause of the low kill speed in 76/77 maps to bosses. I can only hold up a good defense as long as I have some flaskcharges, afterwards I just rip.

My dps is 1300 with Incinerate when my RF is up.
I couldnt spot how much Raiz had and would really be interested in it.

Update: Ok bought myself a 20/20 incinerate and 20/13 RF , damage went from 1300 to 2100 and build feels much better now, i'll do some high maps and try atziri, lets see.

Update 2: Did an atziri run and died twice, but at least got to kill her. Had max lvl added cold for faster projectile which brought me up to 3k tooltip dmg for incinerate.

One last big problem I noticed is that because of retarded MoM my mana often drops to 0 which causes to cancel my Arctic Armour like every 30 sec. Maybe its really better to go IR and EV gear. I dont know.

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LowBaller wrote:

I must be missing something but the dmg from this build is to low for me, I've been testing this build for a few days and i really don't think incinerate is a good choice for dmg

don't get me wrong it is a good build but imho if you can't clear lvl78+ maps fast then chances are farming atrizi is impossible...yes I've tried atrizi several times and was unsuccessful.

I have been practicing the build using a level 84 Duelist and a 5L Cloak. I am using his min Atziri spec build nerfed down to level 84 with the Duelist instead of Marauder for added inefficiency.

Here is my current gear:



I've done around 10 test runs using this setup. Barely any quality gems. Most not even level 20 aside from Incin/RF/Purity which I bought. I was successfully running her without death using a Carcass Jack and a rare scepter with around 80% total spell/ele/fire. It was super sketchy though. Found a Hope in the first few runs and bought a Doryani's/Cloak. They make the build a CRAP TON safer. But yeah, without quality gems in a 5L with some gems level 18/19, I find RF/Incin to be incredibly effective for killing her deathless.

The build certainly is not designed to clear maps extremely quickly. It is designed for face tanking Atziri with enough dps to drop the Vaals to cull before they go down while being able to face tank the third phase of the trio. Map clear speed isn't the target of the build and doesn't affect the performance in the Apex outside of clearing the trash.

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KikosLive wrote:

I had exactly the same Problem.
I tested the build with really good gear in Standard and the kill speed was waaaay too slow.

My dps is 1300 with Incinerate when my RF is up.
I couldnt spot how much Raiz had and would really be interested in it.

Update: Ok bought myself a 20/20 incinerate and 20/13 RF , damage went from 1300 to 2100 and build feels much better now, i'll do some high maps and try atziri, lets see.

Update 2: Did an atziri run and died twice, but at least got to kill her. Had max lvl added cold for faster projectile which brought me up to 3k tooltip dmg for incinerate.

One last big problem I noticed is that because of retarded MoM my mana often drops to 0 which causes to cancel my Arctic Armour like every 30 sec. Maybe its really better to go IR and EV gear. I dont know.

With the gear/gems posted above I have 2633 Incinerate tooltip in the 5L with a level 84 Duelist. That's enough to drop the Vaals to culling range before they go down and to face tank split phase with pots up. I'm not saying the dps is good for a softcore Atziri runner, but it is perfectly fine for an Atziri killer that won't die in the Apex.

As for MoM cutting off your AA, get more regen on gear with a bigger mana pool. With the setup I posted above, I'm stuck at a level 13 AA and I have %regen rolled on every piece that can have it with a 1426 max (288 unres with all auras, 687 without Purity of Lightning) mana pool. My AA rarely drops off. Think Raiz was running a level 21 AA with 2600 max mana pool in his Atziri video at level ?92?. A big thing is an ES helmet for sure. Just don't have the currency to buy one in Standard at the moment.

MoM really makes the build shine. BiS chest for the build without question. Just need the gear for it. The other thing to avoid AA drop would be to use Lightning Warp more often as opposed to running.

Edit: Some ES on Helm (in gear) at 420 unreserved mana. Really makes a huge difference and that's not even a 250ES helm.

I dont understand what you are talking about low dps of the build here.

First the point of this build is to do atziri on budget gear which it does really well in my opinion.
Second maybe think about getting lvl 20 gems and not just good gear and you can clear high lvl maps too.

I bought a 6L cloak of defiance and have 5k dps with gmp, things just melt incredibly fast when i face tank it with RF to support the damage and the map clear speed is respectable at least.
But seriously a 6L is not needed, just go some faceroll crit build if you want to be the super hero map clearer!

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Killuah wrote:

I dont understand what you are talking about low dps of the build here.

First the point of this build is to do atziri on budget gear which it does really well in my opinion.
Second maybe think about getting lvl 20 gems and not just good gear and you can clear high lvl maps too.

If you're responding to what I wrote, I agree with you. The only reason I indicated that I don't have 20 gems was to emphasize that the dps IS good and that the build is Atziri capable with an under leveled off-class without 20 gems or quality on them.

That said, I think people are coming here expecting to use this build to both kill Atziri and clear maps quickly when the build is clearly designed for the former and is only decent at the latter.

So the updated build posted by Raiz looks like this (101 points, I culled some nodes I would pick at higher levels):

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgUATwRDyFugp1V8Dmjy8B-iAOFzPC2aO8T2xq6Cmyfttz4cp-w4GS4GDkGH_goMXycv2WHUfPno2L1TpZBVrY0J9oLHaHQ1kho4z34o-tpitfLAGuvulKCpbnGFuJOa4HgNeubN-kWdC2G-imP9fINTUnloAdxG1xEtwQTi6oTZLJxfP2EhxLhHfrFCEFj2SITv1fi9NodlxFh07a-3J9V67zI0BS0fAgQH6-SD20yzXypVxi0flSBrF8HzvOqCHsBU2wtqQ_MRr2xM_w==

There is also another pathing option (87 points, still not sure what to pick up for the remaining 14 points):

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgUATwRDyFugp1V8Dmjy8B-iAOFzPC2aO8T2xq6Cmyfttz4cp-w4GS4GDkGH_goMXycv2WHUfPno2L1TpZBVrY0J9oLHaHQ1kho4z34o-tpitfLr7pSgqW6a4HgNRZ0LYb6KU1J5aAHcwQTi6oTZXz9hIcS4R372SITv1fi9NsRYdO0n1XrvBS2CHtsLwBpxhXrmY_1G17FC8xGvbEz_V8kNfOq6tAx_xpMnHNzBxYhC

With that route one could pick up the ES/life nodes as well as 26% increased aura effects, which could lead to another 1% max fire res. There is also the Harrier node for cast and move speed.

Any thoughts on that second pathing option?

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Irongunner wrote:

There is also another pathing option (87 points, still not sure what to pick up for the remaining 14 points):

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgUATwRDyFugp1V8Dmjy8B-iAOFzPC2aO8T2xq6Cmyfttz4cp-w4GS4GDkGH_goMXycv2WHUfPno2L1TpZBVrY0J9oLHaHQ1kho4z34o-tpitfLr7pSgqW6a4HgNRZ0LYb6KU1J5aAHcwQTi6oTZXz9hIcS4R372SITv1fi9NsRYdO0n1XrvBS2CHtsLwBpxhXrmY_1G17FC8xGvbEz_V8kNfOq6tAx_xpMnHNzBxYhC

With that route one could pick up the ES/life nodes as well as 26% increased aura effects, which could lead to another 1% max fire res. There is also the Harrier node for cast and move speed.

Any thoughts on that second pathing option?

Seems pretty inefficient to path through the Scion ES wheel to get to EB. With a 20 Purity of Fire, you can run RF with Inner Force with 99% fire res (with no flask nodes) with flasks up. There really isn't much reason to get aura effect nodes.

As for Harrier, Elemental Dominion, Retribution and Light of Divinity are all better cast speed/dmg nodes that are closer to efficient pathing.

I'm not saying that what you have posted wouldn't work, just seems very wasteful missing out on the Elemental Dominion branch and the regen coming from Deep Thoughts and max mana/life from Heart and Soul.

For instance, with two 107pt builds, acquiring Harrier through the Scion ES wheel forces the sacrifice of 6% cast speed and 60%fire/ele dmg by Elemental Dominion. All for 6%cast/move. Net gain of 6%MS and some ES (ie mana) and loss of 60%inc dmg. Don't really think it's worth sacking that dmg for the movement speed.

I guess you could move into Written in Blood as opposed to Cruel Prep if you took the Harrier route. Still don't think it works out overall though.