RaizQT's budget RF incinerator (Atziri killer build) 2.0 UPDATED!

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Rielik wrote:
Most excellent build.
Already in merc in a few hours with self-found gear only, and everything is melting.
Although i have a question.

I'm currently using a 4L Echo-LMP-Incinerate-Added Lightning and Herald of Thunder and the lightning damage is constantly shocking the mobs and proc-ing the herald.

I know Atziri can't be shocked but for everything else isn't Added Lightning better than Added Chaos since it even benefits from elemental damage increases and can shock ?

Faster Casting is better than Added Lightning / Added Chaos I suppose since you already get lightning damage from Herald and chance to shock from tree and Faster Casting will get you to the 3rd Incinerate stage faster ( more damage per stage ) as well as applying a shock quicker with less delay in between which will result in higher damage especially because the tree mainly increases fire damage. With a 5 link and Fire Penetration this is even more the case.

Plus I think Doryani's catalyst elemental leech wont leech from Chaos damage / Doryani's catalyst increase to elemental damage wont increase Chaos damage / I use a Fire Doryani belt and it's damage increase and leech also wouldnt support Added Chaos / Added Lightning.
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Last edited by AdFinitum#3969 on Mar 4, 2015, 10:55:26 PM
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terpa23 wrote:
why none of the passive links work


Because the thread is old enough to have existed before passive reset, and most of the tree used no longer exists.

There are up to date tree's being posted though in this thread.
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Without ever having done Atziri and with this build only being level 71 for me yet I wonder what is your Life to Mana ratio ? With Clarity + two Purities and your gear I cant imagine you having at least 3:1 Life : Mana ratio. And since this builds weakness is physical damage its what would drain your mana fastest - might that be the reason phys damage gets you killed so fast ? As soon as your mana is drained you take the full hit.


Thanks for the answer. Never had in mind that I had to much life (at least compared to the mana ratio :D).
So I'm still looking for a better amulet anyway. I'll try to get some more mana on my gear and try it again.

Just to mention: I don't use PoL in the Triofight so I have 1100 Mana during this fight.
Last edited by Kudi1987#5135 on Mar 5, 2015, 3:29:13 AM
Hey,
I got question about thing that’s bothering me...

I’m currently at lv68, I grabbed total 11,6% life regen nodes. I understand that I cannot run RF now, because I got only Saffell’s Frame shield (+ 4% all max res). I was wondering at beginning why RF still burns me, so I counted:
90% burning dmg VS 75%res +4%max +2%purity +11,6%reg ,
it was look like 90% VS 93,6%... so why I’m still burning? Then I figured out, that I missed the Devotion passive (+5% buff), so new count:
90% * 1.05 = 94,5%, overall ends 94,5% VS 93,6%, that means I’m losing 0,9% hp per second. More or less correct.
BUT... if we count the end game build, there are some inconsistencies.
Inner Force plus Buff Effect x2 plus Devotion boost RF to 113,4% burning dmg per second (90% * 1,26), while total compensations is: 75%res, +8%max Phoenix, +1%max Barbarism, +4% aura and +13,7% reg per sec from all nodes = 101,7%.
113,4% vs 101,7% => means, you burn for 11,7% of total hp per second... where I did mistake? Because, all seems that you guys run this build and its works. I had used RF at OBT, but I see its works differently now. Also, I guess that ES is not converted to dmg, while we held the EB, and I guess that 2% penetration from Celestial Judgement as well don’t work on ourselves.

Can someone explain me please? Thanks! =D
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_Aldheart_ wrote:
Hey,
I got question about thing that’s bothering me...

I’m currently at lv68, I grabbed total 11,6% life regen nodes. I understand that I cannot run RF now, because I got only Saffell’s Frame shield (+ 4% all max res). I was wondering at beginning why RF still burns me, so I counted:
90% burning dmg VS 75%res +4%max +2%purity +11,6%reg ,
it was look like 90% VS 93,6%... so why I’m still burning? Then I figured out, that I missed the Devotion passive (+5% buff), so new count:
90% * 1.05 = 94,5%, overall ends 94,5% VS 93,6%, that means I’m losing 0,9% hp per second. More or less correct.
BUT... if we count the end game build, there are some inconsistencies.
Inner Force plus Buff Effect x2 plus Devotion boost RF to 113,4% burning dmg per second (90% * 1,26), while total compensations is: 75%res, +8%max Phoenix, +1%max Barbarism, +4% aura and +13,7% reg per sec from all nodes = 101,7%.
113,4% vs 101,7% => means, you burn for 11,7% of total hp per second... where I did mistake? Because, all seems that you guys run this build and its works. I had used RF at OBT, but I see its works differently now. Also, I guess that ES is not converted to dmg, while we held the EB, and I guess that 2% penetration from Celestial Judgement as well don’t work on ourselves.

Can someone explain me please? Thanks! =D

ADDING resist and regeneration is completely wrong itself. =)

(100-x)*0.9*y=profit
Your fire res 81%? Devotion 5% only buff boost?
(100-81)*0.9*1.05=17.955% your life burned by RF. All you got is 11.6% life regen.
Hi, I need some advice:

This is my tree at lvl89 (I am lvl90 already, but I did not spend the last point so it's still valid for lvl89):

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgUAAdwEBwSzBS0GDgj0CfYLYQxfDH0QWBB_ES0UIBkuGjgcpx8CJy8n1SftKPosnC0fMjQ1kjpYPC1Bh0PIRZ1G10d-TLNM_08EU1JTpVXGW6BfKl8_YSFj_Wh0aPJqQ2sXcYV07XgNeWh65nrvfA58g4IegpuCx4PbhNmE74dlkFWVIJo7muCiAKdVqW6tja9sr7e18rc-uJO86r02vorAGsBUwGbBBMHzxFjEuMT2xp7Grs36z37UfNWm1fjYvdlh2wvhc-Lq6-Tr7uw47TzvDvAf9kj56P4K

I did not take the 2nd and 3rd Scion's regeneration nodes, because they are not necessary. From here I could go offensively for Heart of Flame (6 points, finished at lvl95).

Or I could go defensively 3 points for 30% flask bonus and maybe 2 x 5% life nodes for more life (and RF damage).

Or also, possibly, instead of 2 life nodes I could go for Celestial Punishment. It will not work on Atziri, but it should work for other mobs and bosses(?). I have 5-link, so I do not have additional lightning damage, but I am still shocking mobs because my HoT is proccing consistently.

I am slightly more inclined towards defensive nodes, but I am open to your advice and suggestions.
Last edited by DarkAvenger2279#3442 on Mar 5, 2015, 2:05:57 PM
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DarkAvenger2279 wrote:
Hi, I need some advice:

....

I did not take the 2nd and 3rd Scion's regeneration nodes, because they are not necessary.

W/o 2-nd scion node you have only 12.4% life regen, while RF burns you for 12.474%. It's about 4 life/sec. Not much but annoying. You must have life regen on your gear to prevent that degen.

And about your question. I would go for scion life cluster. Or take celestial punishment and then life for rest of points. Or spend 3 points on Mental Rapidity. Depends what do you want. More life or more dps.
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W/o 2-nd scion node you have only 12.4% life regen, while RF burns you for 12.474%. It's about 4 life/sec. Not much but annoying. You must have life regen on your gear to prevent that degen.


Please remember that Rise of the Pheonix itself has a "regenerate 6 life per second" mod on it, so my life is balanced. I am not degenerating anything. No annoyance here.

I will look into your skill points tip tomorrow in detail, thanks.
Last edited by DarkAvenger2279#3442 on Mar 5, 2015, 7:23:21 PM
Yes, you right. Never count regen on ROtP itself. Anyway, i got +1 max res amu, so my tree is different. =)
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oldgood wrote:
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_Aldheart_ wrote:
Hey,
I got question about thing that’s bothering me...

I’m currently at lv68, I grabbed total 11,6% life regen nodes. I understand that I cannot run RF now, because I got only Saffell’s Frame shield (+ 4% all max res). I was wondering at beginning why RF still burns me, so I counted:
90% burning dmg VS 75%res +4%max +2%purity +11,6%reg ,
it was look like 90% VS 93,6%... so why I’m still burning? Then I figured out, that I missed the Devotion passive (+5% buff), so new count:
90% * 1.05 = 94,5%, overall ends 94,5% VS 93,6%, that means I’m losing 0,9% hp per second. More or less correct.
BUT... if we count the end game build, there are some inconsistencies.
Inner Force plus Buff Effect x2 plus Devotion boost RF to 113,4% burning dmg per second (90% * 1,26), while total compensations is: 75%res, +8%max Phoenix, +1%max Barbarism, +4% aura and +13,7% reg per sec from all nodes = 101,7%.
113,4% vs 101,7% => means, you burn for 11,7% of total hp per second... where I did mistake? Because, all seems that you guys run this build and its works. I had used RF at OBT, but I see its works differently now. Also, I guess that ES is not converted to dmg, while we held the EB, and I guess that 2% penetration from Celestial Judgement as well don’t work on ourselves.

Can someone explain me please? Thanks! =D

ADDING resist and regeneration is completely wrong itself. =)

(100-x)*0.9*y=profit
Your fire res 81%? Devotion 5% only buff boost?
(100-81)*0.9*1.05=17.955% your life burned by RF. All you got is 11.6% life regen.


Ouch... you got the point... =/
So endgame summary: (100-89)*(0.9*1.26)=12.474% and 13,7% regen (plus rounding).
Damnt, messed up the order of math operations =)

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