[2.5 Video Guide] Beginner's Build: Dual Flame Totem, Blood Magic Chieftain [Atziri & HC/SC Viable]

Last edited by davc1234567890#2226 on Jul 18, 2015, 3:33:16 PM
Nerdbro great guide and great video to go along with it. I decided to respec one of my Marauders into this build to finally give totems a try. The Character is level 74 and my tooltip DPS on my totem is 4.9k with Herald of Thunder up and a Flame Golem up. The tooltip dps is 4.5k without.

I followed the tree pretty exact except for having to take a 30 dex node which i will respec out of eventually. My gear is below. I am using a soul mantle cause I have it and i like being able to use 3 totems (plus it easy to mitigate the curses when totems leave). I am using a staff that has +2 to fire gems, spell damage and fire damage.

Does the tooltip dps seem low even for only a 4l?? I have no experience with this build but see other people posting how they have 10-15k tooltip dps. Will the 5th link and the added Chaos gem really boost the dps to those levels? What am I doing wrong and What can I do to increase my totem DPS? Any and all help from anyone is appreciated. Thanks again!



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davc1234567890 wrote:


My dps is just little bit below 14k now.

When it comes to your dps being low. Well, for starters, your flame totem gem is lvl 17, mine is lvl 20 (lvl 19gem+1 from mantle), that alone is at least 3k dps if not more. You also dont have the Clear mind jewel which gives up to 60% spelldamage modifier (i got 58% version). Your weapon doesnt have casting speen on it. My wand has less +spell/elemental damage than yours but 20% cast speed which is also significant difference. Also the mantle gives up to 35% increased fire damage (fire damage is about 65-70% of my total damage). You should also get rid of your Totemic Zeal cluster, these are just wasted points that don't increase your dps, especially since you are missing some important things like Celestial judgement and Fire Walker. All these things add up to a lot of dps.

Overall i think 5-link mantle is far superior to 6link Tabula Rasa in most situations.
Last edited by Gunteraz#3129 on Jul 18, 2015, 4:35:37 PM
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Stylez777 wrote:


Does the tooltip dps seem low even for only a 4l?? I have no experience with this build but see other people posting how they have 10-15k tooltip dps. Will the 5th link and the added Chaos gem really boost the dps to those levels? What am I doing wrong and What can I do to increase my totem DPS? Any and all help from anyone is appreciated. Thanks again!


I did some testing with gems and here's the result:
My setup is 5link mantle with Flame Totem-Faster Casting-Faster Projectiles-Added Chaos Damage-Fire Penetration.

* My dps without Herald of Thunder and flame brolem is 12 659.

* My dps with herald and flame bro is 13 654
All the following numbers include flame bro and herald:
* In a 4-link without added chaos damage my dps would be 11 570.
* In a 4-link without faster projectiles my dps would be 12 613. (My gem has 12% quality giving also cast speed which infulences the dps number to be bigger than it would be without quality)
* In a 4-link without faster casting my dps would be 10 871.
* My dps in a 6-link with lvl 18 Iron will would be 15 803. (It is important to note that my strength is 358)
* My dps without 58% Clear Mind Jewel is 12 480.

From these results we can see few things:

1) Faster projectiles gives the least tooltip dps increase by quite a significant margin.
2) Faster casting is by far the biggest dps increase and proves that cast speed on a weapon is very valuable, even more so than spell/elemental damage imho.
3) Iron will is quite good indeed but it's impossible to really compare the dps difference with fire penetration because the latter depends on the monster's base fire resistance and is not calculated in a tooltip. I still think it's better to use fire penetration than iron will in a 5link.
4) Good Clear Mind jewel provides more dps than HoT and flame bro combined.

In conclusion i'd say that in a 4-link i'd rather leave out faster projectiles than added chaos damage if you want more dps. This also means that you have to cast your totems more often as the projectiles wont "fly" as far as they would with this gem. The main value of faster projectiles is that it makes the projectiles travel further. It is not a huge dps increase.

Last edited by Gunteraz#3129 on Jul 18, 2015, 5:03:38 PM
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Gunteraz wrote:
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Stylez777 wrote:


"The main value of faster projectiles is that it makes the projectiles travel further. It is not a huge dps increase."



Even though added chaos adds more tool-tip DPS faster projectiles is the better choice for "clear speed" the increased range of the fire projectiles more than makes up for the less tool-tip dps :)
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LiftingNerdBro wrote:




Even though added chaos adds more tool-tip DPS faster projectiles is the better choice for "clear speed" the increased range of the fire projectiles more than makes up for the less tool-tip dps :)


That is true of course. The question was "how to increase my totem dps" so that's the angle i was answering from. Clear speed, dps, utility, survivability etc are all very different and usually to improve one of them you have to compromise some of the others.
Last edited by Gunteraz#3129 on Jul 18, 2015, 6:07:56 PM
Thank you Gunteraz and NErdbro so much for the reply. Lot of in-depth information!

My gems are not fully leveled and I don't have quality on any of them yet so I am sure having a 20q Faster casting, Faster Projectiles, and Fire Pen would certainly boosted DPS.

I'm not a DPS junkie, since I prefer being able to clear the map instead of what a number says. Right now I have done up to 71 maps with my previous tree and gear posted, so I will keep pushing the envelope as my gems rise in level and eventually quality.

Outside of gear and gems, I had a question about the tree:

Looking at my tree now is it worthwhile or will it make any difference picking up the three Cast speed or spell damage passives south of Elemental Dominion passive? I'm only asking because with my current gear I can't squeeze out anymore Cast Speed unless I buy new gear and not sure if it will be worth the investment. The Clear Mind Jewel looks great and I'll add it to my list of things to get eventually.

Again thanks for all the suggestions and advice. I really appreciate it.



Lifting I just wanted to say that you sir are awesome so far I have used ur magma orb and summoner builds to level 40 wish and now I'm messing with this one ty so much as a new player your guides are my rock in this crazy game
Loving the build so far LNB!

I'm level 83 and my totems are at 10k DPS. I've yet to get a five link or Infernal Mantel, my Clear Mind jewel is low rolled, and my wands need some work. Hitting 15k to 16k DPS is very possible.

Great starter build for a new league to accumulate currency!
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travisiscool wrote:
Someone linked me this combo and I think it's pretty nice all chaos damage,I just can't get this to roll BBRRG


This is best robe for that build, but dagger is pure garbage. You don't need any ctit, and cast speed scales best, that dagger got +0 cast speed.


Yeah was a bad mistake buying one owell trying to get a apep's rage

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